February 1, 2010
Dinar and Discussion February, March and April 2010
By DinarAdmin
This is the Dinar And Discussion Page for February, March and April, 2010
RON wrote:
Hi all a new scratch pad.this could be the month that a roll on the dinar train could start for the Iraqi people and we dinarians
MAY GOD BLESS US ALL AND IRAQ-- February 1, 2010 9:42 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Ron,
I doubt it but if it helps you psychologically to believe in myths feel free to do so.
Thanks,Rob N.
-- February 1, 2010 10:52 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
I agree with you Ron.
We may be very close.
Though often the catalyst for positive changing of economic situations can be negative, at first.
As, I suppose, it would seem the fortunes of Iraq were about to be terrible, just on the eve of the US going in to take out Saddam Hussein.
It yeilded a good outcome, eventually.
But that wasn't the feeling going into the war, was it?Sara.
-- February 1, 2010 11:26 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Nothing like having a peacenik in the Whitehouse during a time of war.
One who does too little, too late.
One whose approach, this article says.. has failed.
QUOTE:
Obama's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran – a contrast to the Bush administration's approach – have failedAnd also... quite obviously,
One whose stance as a warrior championing the US cause is not taken seriously.===
US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles
Pentagon says Patriot shield will deter strike on American allies in the Gulf
Chris McGreal in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 January 2010Tension between the US and Iran heightened dramatically today with the disclosure that Barack Obama is deploying a missile shield to protect American allies in the Gulf from attack by Tehran.
The US is dispatching Patriot defensive missiles to four countries – Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Kuwait – and keeping two ships in the Gulf capable of shooting down Iranian missiles. Washington is also helping Saudi Arabia develop a force to protect its oil installations.
American officials said the move is aimed at deterring an attack by Iran and reassuring Gulf states fearful that Tehran might react to sanctions by striking at US allies in the region. Washington is also seeking to discourage Israel from a strike against Iran by demonstrating that the US is prepared to contain any threat.
The deployment comes after Obama's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran – a contrast to the Bush administration's approach – have failed to persuade Tehran to open its nuclear installations to international controls. The White House is now trying to engineer agreement for sanctions focused on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, believed to be in charge of the atomic programme.
Washington has not formally announced the deployment of the Patriots and other anti-missile systems, but by leaking it to American newspapers the administration is evidently seeking to alert Tehran to a hardening of its position.
The chief of the US central command, General David Petraeus, said in a speech 10 days ago that countries in the region are concerned about Tehran's military ambitions and the prospect of it becoming a dominant power in the Gulf: "Iran is clearly seen as a very serious threat by those on the other side of the Gulf front."
Washington is also concerned at the threat of action by Israel, which is predicting that Iran will be able to build a nuclear missile within a year, a much faster timetable than assessed by the US, and is warning that it will not let Tehran come close to completion if diplomacy fails.
The director of the CIA, Leon Panetta, met the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, and other senior officials in Jerusalem last week to discuss Iran.
Pro-Israel lobby groups in the US have joined Republican party leaders in trying to build public pressure on the administration to take a tougher line with Iran. One group, the Israel Project, has been running a TV campaign warning that Iran might supply nuclear weapons to terrorists.
"Imagine Washington DC under missile attack from nearby Baltimore," it says. "A nuclear Iran is a threat to peace, emboldens extremists, and could give nuclear materials to terrorists with the ability to strike anywhere."
Washington is also concerned that if Iran is able to build nuclear weapons, other states in the region will feel the need to follow. Israel is the only country in the Middle East to already have atomic bombs, although it does not officially acknowledge it.
The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said in London last week that the US will press for additional sanctions against Iran if it fails to curb its nuclear programme.
However, China and Russia are still pressing for a diplomatic solution.
Tony Blair, Middle East envoy on behalf of the US, Russia, the UN and the EU, continually referred to what he described as the Iranian threat during his evidence at the Chilcot inquiry last Friday. Textual analysis now shows that he mentioned Iran 58 times.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/31/iran-nuclear-us-missiles-gulf
"A nuclear Iran is a threat to peace, emboldens extremists, and could give nuclear materials to terrorists with the ability to strike anywhere."
You don't say.
"Imagine Washington DC under missile attack from nearby Baltimore.."
ONE nuclear missile, you mean?
Has anyone ever noticed that the terrorists tend to use multiple attacks at once?
Like the latest coordinated attacks in Iraq and the ones referred to before that, highlighted below:====
At least 36 dead as car bombs rock Baghdad hotels
Haider Kadhim, BAGHDAD
Mon Jan 25, 2010BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Three large car bombs rocked well-known Baghdad hotels on Monday, killing at least 36 people and ending a 1-1/2-month lull in coordinated assaults on the Iraqi capital as the country heads into a March election.
Police said at least 71 people were wounded in the separate suicide car bombings, which went off within minutes of one another. Some of the casualties were police. Health Ministry data showed a lower figure for the death toll.
The first blast occurred near an entrance of the Ishtar Sheraton hotel, a Baghdad landmark on the eastern side of the Tigris River. The shock wave blew open doors, shattered windows and sent thick dust swirling into the Reuters offices nearby.
A giant mushroom cloud of debris rose from the blast site as ambulances and fire trucks rushed to the scene. Helicopters buzzed overhead and soldiers blocked off entry.
Towering concrete blastwalls protecting the hotel along the Abu Nawas riverside boulevard fell like dominoes. The blast took place across from a park frequented by families and picnickers.
The building has not been a regular hotel for years and largely houses company offices and some media organizations, but some adventurous international tour groups began using it last year.
Police said another blast went off just outside the al-Hamra hotel, which has been a hub for many Western journalists since the 2003 U.S. invasion. One Western reporter said the hotel had sustained heavy damage. The Washington Post said three of its Iraqi employees were wounded.
Houses collapsed near the Hamra, and civil defense officials searched for survivors. The blast at the Hamra, like that at the Sheraton, ripped a giant crater in the pavement.
A final bomb appeared to have blown up near the Babylon hotel, which is used by Iraqi travelers and sometimes for government meetings.
The last major attack on Baghdad occurred on December 8 when a series of car bombs killed more than 100 people. On October 25 and August 19, a total of around 250 people were killed in suicide assaults on government buildings.
-- February 1, 2010 11:36 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Remember the report.. weapons, not A weapon:
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Report says Al-Qaeda still aims to use weapons of mass destruction against U.S.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 26, 2010"If Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants had been interested in . . . small-scale attacks, there is little doubt they could have done so now," Mowatt-Larssen writes in a report released Monday by the Harvard Kennedy School of Government's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
Mowatt-Larssen, a 23-year CIA veteran, led the agency's internal task force on al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and later was named director of intelligence and counterintelligence for the Energy Department. His report warns that bin Laden's threat to attack the West with weapons of mass destruction is not "empty rhetoric" but a top strategic goal for an organization that seeks the economic ruin of the United States and its allies to hasten the overthrow of pro-Western governments in the Islamic world.
He cites patterns in al-Qaeda's 15-year pursuit of weapons of mass destruction that reflect a deliberateness and sophistication in assembling the needed expertise and equipment.
Mowatt-Larssen said he has seen no evidence linking al-Qaeda's program with the anthrax attacks on U.S. politicians and news outlets in 2001. Zawahiri's plan was aimed at mass casualties and "not just trying to scare people with a few letters," he said.
Evidence from al-Qaeda documents and interrogations suggests that terrorists leaders had settled on anthrax as the weapon of choice and believed that the tools for a major biological attack were within their grasp, the former CIA official said. Al-Qaeda remained interested in nuclear weapons as well but understood that the odds of success were much longer.
"They realized they needed a lucky break," Mowatt-Larssen said. "That meant buying or stealing fissile material or acquiring a stolen bomb."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012502598.html
Who needs to buy or steal fissile material when Iran is about to go nuclear?
Do you honestly think Iran won't help the Al-Qaeda get the "Great Satan?"
Obama sure seems a "lucky break" for the terrorists.
A real God-send.Is America fiddling with the economy while Rome is about to burn?
Sara.
-- February 1, 2010 12:29 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara:
To those holding the Iraqi Dinar instead of expecting a revaluation prepare for devaluation. Iraq like the USD is expanding its monetary supply by monetizing its debt while obtainning more; Iraq has just accepted a 7 trillion dinar loan from the IMF. Iraq will continue to accumulate debt. Unforunately, the Iraqi government like its U.S. counter part is is currently in the process of debasing its currency. Like the USD Iraq's dinar has little to no purchasing power while the banking sector attempts to create another debtor nation. Finally, the Iraqi Dinar like the USD does not have any tangible assets tied to it.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- February 1, 2010 12:52 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Iran's Threats.. a review of the attack level first
You know, Iran has often threatened things and not carried through on them.
But one of these days, they intend to.
It does make a person wonder if the veiled threat given today is the one, with the rating of "severe" being the terrorist threat level now in the UK and terrorists trying to get into the US (to do what?) as I said in my previous post.
QUOTE:Remember that pesky previous article about an upcoming attack?
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Bin Laden wording 'indicator' of upcoming attack: monitor
Sun Jan 24, 2010WASHINGTON (AFP) – Osama bin Laden's word choice in the latest audio message attributed to him is seen as a "possible indicator" of an upcoming attack by his Al-Qaeda network, a US monitoring group warned Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100124/ts_alt_afp/attacksusnigeriabinladenthreat_20100124182004
Well.. I have to ask you.. WHERE is that attack likely to be?
Hmmm..
Well, the UK felt their intelligence people indicate it may be them.. so they have raised their risk level to just under imminent/critical.. to SEVERE, the highest level possible without specific intelligence to help them know where or when:
===Terrorist threat level raised to 'severe'
January 22, 2010Britain's terrorist threat level was raised tonight from “substantial” to “severe” - meaning that counter-terrorism agencies believe an attack is “highly likely”.
Sources said there had been intensive discussions throughout the day relating to intelligence suggesting a possible attempted “spectacular” by an al-Qaeda affiliated group.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6999294.ece
THEN.. they said that they had apprehended two people on their 'no fly' lists.. heading where? To the USA.
That story here:
===Terror alert: Two men on 'no-fly' list stopped at Heathrow
24/01/2010Two men were stopped boarding US-bound planes at Heathrow days before Britain's terror threat was raised to "severe".
News of the incidents came hours after Home Secretary Alan Johnson lifted the threat level amid fears that al-Qaeda is planning an attack.The new level, which means an attack is reckoned "highly likely", is second only to "critical".
Anti-terror officials said the past week had seen an "unusually high" number of people on their no-fly list trying to board US-bound planes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/24/terror-alert-two-men-on-no-fly-list-stopped-at-heathrow-115875-21990980/
So lets connect the dots.. severe threat.. Bin laden indicating an upcoming attack.. and these two men heading TO THE USA who are terrorists. What kind of specialized knowledge would they possess? Anything about WMD, perhaps? Then yesterday the one about Al-Qaeda seeking WMD... and this one sheds further light by showing the target, uncannily, is the same place these two men were heading.. the USA.
===end quote===
So.. in light of this.. what about today's threat?
Does it mean anything?Sara.
-- February 1, 2010 3:10 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Anything here to be concerned about?
Iran To Deliver ‘Harsh Blow’ On Feb 11
From Iran’s Press TV:‘Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11′
Mon, 01 Feb 2010Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the nation will deliver a harsh blow to the "global arrogance" on this year’s anniversary of the Islamic Revolution.
"The Islamic Revolution opened a window to liberty for the human race, which was trapped in the dead ends of materialism," Ahmadinejad said during a cabinet meeting on Sunday.
"If the Islamic Revolution had not occurred, liberalism and Marxism would have crushed all human dignity in their power-seeking and money-grubbing claws. Nothing would have remained of human and spiritual principles," he added.
The Iranian president made the remarks as the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Revolution approaches.
Iranians are expected to pour into the streets on February 11 to celebrate the occasion in public rallies across the country, as they have done annually over the past three decades.
===
Funny, Hitler and his crew often spoke of Nazism as the third way between money-grubbing (Jewish) capitalism and (Jewish) Marxism.
This may be related the the ultimatum/deadline that Iran gave the West a couple weeks ago:
Iran Gives West A One Month Deadline
Iran gives West ultimatum to accept uranium swap
by Aresu Eqbali Sat Jan 2TEHRAN (AFP) – Iran’s foreign minister gave the West a one-month "ultimatum" on Saturday to accept a uranium swap, warning that it will produce its own nuclear fuel for a Tehran reactor if there is no deal.
"The international community has just one month left to decide whether or not it will accept Iran’s conditions," Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was quoted by state television as saying.
"This is an ultimatum."
On Wednesday, US State Department spokesman Darby Holladay said the West will still focus on "dual-track policy" regarding the Islamic republic.
"Even as we leave the door open to engagement," world powers agree that Iran will pay the consequences if it does not meet its international nuclear obligations, Darby told AFP.
The five permanent members of the UN Security Council — the United States, Russia, China, France, and Britain — plus Germany are "in the process of considering next steps consistent with our dual-track policy," he said.
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Mind you, Mr. Obama’s December 31, 2009 deadline that Iran ignored was the final, ‘we really mean it this time,’ mother of all deadlines.
But Iran knows it will never face any real consequences.
Not at the hands of Mr. Obama and the UN.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/iran-gives-west-one-month-deadline
This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, February 1st, 2010.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/iran-to-deliver-telling-blow-on-feb-11
Soo.. maybe it is only that they will finally produce their own nuclear fuel.. is that it?
Or is there something more to it?
It is a blow to hear a new program has started developing nuclear fuel, but..
Is it truly a HARSH BLOW to GLOBAL ARROGANCE/GLOBAL POWERS?Sara.
-- February 1, 2010 3:50 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Should we just disagree?
Rob N;
Reply to your post as soon as I can, I need to give it some thought on exactly how to address your points.
.....................Hmm... I've been thinking..
I am not sure the points are relevant, to start off.. because of you having no Dinar which means you are arguing from a certain point of view we Dinarians already do not have.. namely, that the investment is pointless. I'm not sure it is worth addressing the entire paradigm shift or worldviewpoint you have, as opposed to picking off your arguments one by one. But surely you can see the direction I am going?.. and I can certainly see how Dinar Revaluation could easily fit into how the future world will look, in spite of those pointed objections you brought up. Or maybe it is like chess.. which is a game about who sees how many moves ahead in the game. But if I prove you wrong.. will you admit it and rebuy Dinar? Somehow, I just think you will argue til you are blue in the face and not do so.. so why should I try? I don't enjoy hitting my head against a brick wall, really. Sometimes, it is enough to know the truth yourself. It isn't necessary to convert others to your point of view. You are already convinced of what you are saying that it is correct. Why can't we politely disagree and move on? Pretty obviously, I have listened to rational arguments I consider convincing which disprove (to my mind) your view. Let's just disagree and move on. I don't think you are open to convincing.
Sara.
-- February 1, 2010 3:56 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
Fair enough. We can disagree and move on.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- February 1, 2010 5:58 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
All,
The Iraqi Dinar will neither revalue nor revert to a previous rate; expect the physical currency to lop. Either Iraq will introduce smaller denominations or it will wait until it joins the GCC. Once inflation is under control for a period the current notes will not be needed. The Bremer Dinar is a transitory currency a stop gap measure between the old Saddam notes to a new currency without the three zeros.
Like the U.S. Iraq continues to print Dinars; according to the CBI's own website the money supply has continued to increase. Like the U.S. Iraq continues to monetize its debt and economy by this increase in money supply. Like the U.S. Iraq's money supply exceeds GDP this environment creates an imbalance. Like the U.S. Iraq continues to accumulate debt; I have mentioned several times their recent loan from the IMF for 7 trillion Dinars. Like the U.S. Iraq's currency is not tied to any tangible assets. Through current monetary and fiscal policy Iraq cannot tie the Dinar to its oil because of the excessive quantity in circulation. Regardless, of the amount of oil produced Iraq's monetary supply will continue to increase.
Many expect in the next 3 to 5 years a formal devaluation of the dollar by the Fed and since Iraq's Central Bank is following the same monetary and physical policy as it makes sense the Dinar follow the same course of action. Until these concepts are grasped you will continue to wait for an event that is not going to happen.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- February 3, 2010 11:57 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Sighh.. you CAN'T leave it alone, can you, Rob?
You just HAVE TO try and rain on other people's parades.. fine.
Ok.
Nothing like a left brain arguing with a right brain, hey..?
So, Here goes:Rob N wrote:
".. the Iraqi Dinar like the USD does not have any tangible assets tied to it."
YET.
Speculate, Rob N.
What if it DID have tangible assets tied to it.
You say that would STILL not cause an upward valuation..
because there are too many Dinars out there.
Pretty much your entire argument relies on money supply dynamics.
However, if you look at how much things are worth based on rationality, where would the US dollar actually be?
It relies not on quantity issued, but on faith to remain at its current value.
Read these stats from an article I'll entitle,The Obama Fiscal Disaster Admitted by The Wall Street Journal
Obama's spending restraint religion arrives a year, and trillions of dollars, too late.
JANUARY 27, 2010Meet President Obama 2.0. Unlike the 2009 version, this 2010 update isn't the spender who has sent the federal deficit to levels unseen since World War II. This new fellow is a fiscal conservative.. as he delivers his State of the Union address.
Whether or not Americans choose to believe him, there's no denying the fiscal reality created by the rollout version of President Obama last year, as detailed in the Congressional Budget Office report released yesterday. For the second year in a row, fiscal 2010 will see a trillion-dollar deficit—an estimated $1.35 trillion, or 9.2% of GDP, which is down slightly from last year's post-World War II record of 9.9%.
Mr. Obama did inherit a recession, which is partly responsible for this ocean of red ink. The slow pace of economic recovery has contributed to a collapse in revenues, down to 14.8% of GDP in 2009 and an estimated 14.9% this year. That's well below the modern historical average of about 18.1%, and it is a reminder that economic growth is the most important contributor to smaller deficits. Had last year's "stimulus" worked half as well as the White House advertised, these deficits wouldn't be as large.
But as the nearby chart shows, Mr. Obama's major contribution to deficits has been a record spending spree. In 2007, before the recession, federal expenditures reached $2.73 trillion. By 2009 expenditures had climbed to $3.52 trillion. In 2009 alone, overall federal spending rose 18%, or $536 billion. Throw in a $65 billion reduction in debt service costs due to low interest rates, and the overall spending increase was 22%.
In one year.
CBO confirms that Democrats have taken federal spending to a new and higher plateau: 24.7% of GDP in 2009, 24.1% this year, and back to an estimated 24.3% in 2011. The modern historical average is about 20.5%, and less than that if you exclude the Reagan defense buildup of the 1980s that helped to win the Cold War and let Bill Clinton reduce defense spending to 3% of GDP in the 1990s.
This means that one of every four dollars produced by the sweat of American private labor is now taxed and redistributed by 535 men and women in Congress.
The slight deficit improvement for 2010 isn't due to any spending restraint. The feds will get a $218 billion windfall from reduced spending on TARP bailout cash, plus $27 billion in reduced deposit insurance outlays. All of that money and more is going right out the door again in $112 billion more in so far unspent stimulus, a 7% increase in nondefense discretionary spending, 6% more for Medicare and 11% more for Medicaid.
Compared to this gusher, Mr. Obama's touted spending freeze for some domestic agencies is the politics of gesture. It would apply to only 17% of the budget, and these programs have already had a 22% increase in their annual appropriations in the past two years, and another 25% increase including stimulus.
As for the deficit, CBO shows that over the first three years of the Obama Presidency, 2009-2011, the federal government will borrow an estimated $3.7 trillion. That is more than the entire accumulated national debt for the first 225 years of U.S. history. By 2019, the interest payments on this debt will be larger than the budget for education, roads and all other nondefense discretionary spending.
If this borrowing were financing defense investments or tax rate reductions to spur the U.S. economy, we wouldn't be worried. But most of this money is going to transfer payments to individuals, or subsidies to home buyers and inefficient businesses that do little for wealth creation.
As it always does, CBO forecasts that deficits will decline in the later years of its 10-year budget window. But this forecast depends on assumptions about Congress so fanciful that James Cameron couldn't make them up. CBO projects that all of the Bush tax cuts will expire in 2011—even those for the middle class—and that the Alternative Minimum Tax will hit more than 30 million mostly middle-class families over the next decade. Democrats say neither will happen.
CBO also assumes that Medicare will cut reimbursements to doctors by $250 billion, though Democrats have promised to stop such cuts in return for the American Medical Association's endorsement of their health bills.
If the middle-class tax cuts remain, the AMT doesn't soak the middle class and spending grows at its historic norm, then CBO concedes "the deficit in 2020 would be nearly the same, historically large, share of GDP that it is today and the debt held by the public would equal nearly 100% of GDP." Buongiorno, Italia.
Oh, and none of this includes a penny for ObamaCare.
The tragedy is that Mr. Obama's fiscal conversion is coming a year too late, assuming it is now real. If the President and his party really are serious, they can do more than promise a spending freeze after 2012. They can stop spending more now: Drop the health-care bill, cancel the unspent stimulus spending from last year, kill the $150 billion new stimulus that has already passed the House, and bar all repaid bailout cash from being re-spent. Everything else is marketing.
- Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A14
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703906204575027181656362948.htmlCBO concedes "the deficit in 2020 would be nearly the same, historically large, share of GDP that it is today and the debt held by the public would equal nearly 100% of GDP."
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF GDP.. the entire production of the USA!!
Yesterday, Glenn Beck in this segment (watch all of this segment, very interesting):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt6z-R_2SiY
At the mark 5:47 he states that it in 1929 the Debt to GDP was 16.3%.
He goes on to state that this year Debt to GDP will be 94% of GDP.. NINETY FOUR PERCENT!!
and in 2011 it will be 99% of GDP!!!So.. exactly where is the rationality you are making in that scenerio?
What I am arguing is.. you are expecting rational sense, and it isn't working here..
Sooo... Knowing this (above), what is keeping the US afloat?
I don't think the rational playing field you imagine exists.. that isn't the reality of this world.
It isn't how it works NOW.. nor will it ever be.
So your arguments won't matter in the end, either.There is NOTHING backing the US dollar. Not oil, not exports.. nothing. How rational is that?
And there are some game changing plans in the works.
A lot of history isn't sensible, logical and linear as you are saying.. wars and messy policies get in the way.
Kinda like since the last election..
Let's just wait.. it isn't over yet.
The RV is yet future.. and your "lop" has not happened, either.
That is why this is called a "speculative" investment.
Those with the keys are not speculators.. they are "in the know".. you aren't and neither am I.
But.. we do speculate. You along your path and me along mine.Sara.
-- February 3, 2010 1:54 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
We got to see how good Barack Hussein Obama has been with the economy.
Now we get to see how he does with national security.
Your thoughts?===
Intelligence Officials Warn Attempted Al Qaeda Attack Only Months Away
February 02, 2010
The terrorist organization is deploying operatives to the United States to carry out new attacks from inside the country, CIA Director Leon Panetta told CongressWASHINGTON -- Al Qaeda can be expected to attempt an attack on the United States in the next three to six months, senior U.S. intelligence officials told Congress Tuesday.
The terrorist organization is deploying operatives to the United States to carry out new attacks from inside the country, including "clean" recruits with a negligible trail of terrorist contacts, CIA Director Leon Panetta said. Al Qaeda is also inspiring homegrown extremists to trigger violence on their own, Panetta added.
Director of National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair described Hassan as homegrown extremist. He also said that Al Qaeda can be expected to continue and try to attack the United States until Osama bin Laden and his No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri, are dead.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/02/intelligence-officials-warn-attempted-al-qaeda-attack-months-away/
-- February 3, 2010 2:03 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
And could that threat against the US possibly fit with this article from earlier this month?
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Al-Qaida seeking tools for nuclear 9/11
Intel agents 'certain' terrorists will try for Pakistan's bombs
Posted: January 18, 2010LONDON – Agents for Britain's MI6 Secret Intelligence Service say they are "certain" al-Qaida is poised to try and grab some of the 80 nuclear weapons that Pakistan possesses, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
The al-Qaida leadership – Osama bin Laden and Ayman a-Zawahri – are believed to have spent the winter months in Pakistan's Tribal Areas finalizing their plans for an attack.
It will spearhead al-Qaida's global network and its capability to carry out a wide range of terrorist onslaughts.
The MI6 analysis is based on what the agency calls "al-Qaida's zone of terrorism." It includes the Afghan Taliban, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan in East Turkistan and al-Shabaab in Somalia. In the Sahara region al-Qaida has reformed Islamic Magreb (AQIM) which has grown out of Algerian resistance movement.
But nothing poses more of a threat than al-Qaida's plan to steal Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.
MI6 agents in Pakistan say there is mounting evidence "the leadership is thinking of a nuclear 9/11 and are approaching it in increasingly professional ways."
Nuclear experts have told the Secret Intelligence Service that the biggest fear is of "an inside job."
One analyst said, "There are up to 12,000 people in Pakistan with some kind of role which brings them into nuclear facilities, whether as part of a team of scientists or working in security."
Professor Shaun Gregory, director of the Pakistan security research center at Bradford University in England, has tracked a number of attempted security breaches in the past four years at Pakistan's nuclear facilities.
Past attacks have included a suicide bomber striking Kamra where Pakistan Air Force F-16 jet aircraft are stationed with nuclear bombs. Another attack was against a nuclear weapons complex in Punjab where a nuclear warhead assembly plant is based.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=122398
Makes you wonder..
-- February 3, 2010 2:14 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Now, Rob N.. we are speculating on the Dinar.. you in your way, and me in mine.
And I have some theories about this coming nuclear attack on the USA,
one I believe is a point of view unique because I am working from a different perspective.
I am working like a person with forensic evidence after a crime.. with the data given AFTER the event.
Because I can "see" what happened in my mind and work from there.
Just like they do with a crime scene.. using the evidence to piece together clues.
It has allowed me to understand and piece together what I think happened.. or rather, will happen in the near future.
Like speculation on the Dinar.. perhaps I will be wrong and it won't happen as I predict.
I might have it wrong.
Maybe it will be a lop.. when I think it will be a RV.
But on the other hand.. it is worth a minute of exploring.. since it will effect all our lives, AND the Dinar.
It will change our world.
It will end a lot of people's worlds.So.. here is my view.. it will take a few posts and much prayer, but here goes:
First off, I saw an article a while back about the economy being INTENTIONALLY destroyed.
It postulated that if that was so then.. it wasn't Bush's fault, after all, was it?
And a poster asked.. if that was so.. why didn't everyone say it wasn't his fault?
And the author of the article asked why no one was at all concerned with who on earth stuck us without a boat in the middle of the ocean.
Here is that one, because it is relevant as to who is attacking the USA..===
The electronic run on banks nobody seemed to notice
By Mary Claire Kendall
01/15/10Sixteen months after the 11 a.m. simultaneous withdrawal of billions of dollars out of money market accounts in the aftermath of Lehman’s demise a few days earlier, no one seems to care about the dimensions of this event.
After all, this catastrophic event did not have quite the physicality of say an actual bank run.
There were no investors standing in line waiting to take their money out for Americans to see just who they were—from what country, wearing what kind of clothes, honest or squirrelly looking, working in tandem with each other? Just computer generated orders simultaneously withdrawing billions of dollars adding up to $550 billion within about an hour.
And, certainly, if it were an act of economic terrorism, which no one seems to have the imagination or cojones to raise, the visual is not there. No Boeing 737 ramming into the Twin Towers, bursting into flames, innocent victims burning alive jumping out the windows to their death, prior to the buildings’ collapse into rubble.
But, make no mistake, this electronic run on the banks of Sept. 18, 2008, was every bit as catastrophic, with numerous victims.
Sure, it could be pure coincidence that exactly at 11 a.m. a wave of concerned investors all decided it was time to electronically withdraw their funds thus creating this crescendo drawdown effect setting in motion a worldwide panic.
It could be coincidence. But, it’s doubtful.
The fact that the identities of those who simultaneously decided to withdraw their money at 11 a.m. on Sep. 18, precipitating this panic, were never released, does lead one to question whether or not something sinister was at work.
Is there no one else with even the vaguest curiosity to ask if it was a coincidence or not? And, to suggest maybe an investigation is in order to deliver that vaunted “transparency” that voters seemed to believe they would get after the 2008 elections.
If nothing sinister was at work, then why so much secrecy concerning the destination of this $550 billion in money withdrawn on Thursday, Sept. 18, and those responsible for redirecting these funds out of the U.S. money markets.
Surely the money didn’t go back into the American economy.
No, $550 billion was drained away from the American economy, the consequences of which we suffer to this day.
The exact contours of this event were described by Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) on C-SPAN on Wednesday, Feb. 11, two days after the 200th anniversary of Abe Lincoln’s birth.
An enraged caller had just erupted over the ill-advised $700 billion bailout a few months earlier and Rep. Kanjorski felt pressed to reveal what Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke had told Congress behind closed doors, which so shocked them into supporting this mind-bogglingly huge bailout.
“On Thursday [Sept. 18, 2008] at about 11 o’clock in the morning,” Kanjorski began, “the Federal Reserve noticed the tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to the tune of $550 billion dollars being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help. It pumped $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide.”
At that point, officials realized, Kanjorski relates, “We were having an electronic run on the banks.”
In response, Kanjorski continued, “They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there and that’s what actually happened.”
And, if nothing had been done, Kanjorski revealed, “their estimation was that by two o’clock that afternoon, five and 1/2 trillion dollars would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed (which would have meant) … the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.”
Kanjorski concluded, “Someone threw us in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean without a life raft. And, we’re trying to determine which is the closest shore, and whether there’s any chance in the world to swim that far. We don’t know.”
But why is no one in the least bit curious to know who that “someone” is who “threw us in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean without a life raft”—the consequences of which have so damaged our economy’s job-creating engine?
This writer, for one, would like to know.
Mary Claire Kendall is a Washington-based journalist and screenwriter, working with Providence Productions in LA.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/01/15/the-electronic-run-on-banks-nobody-seemed-to-notice/
Sooo.. SOMEONE did this INTENTIONALLY to the USA.
Who was it?
Maybe this could be a clue.. a man who told President Bush that "war has started".. on August 8, 2008, barely ONE MONTH before this event of an electronic run on the banks. He told President Bush this during the Bejing Games:===
Paulson Says Russia Urged China to Dump Fannie, Freddie Bonds
By Michael McKee and Alex Nicholson
Jan 29 2010Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Russia urged China to dump its Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds in 2008 in a bid to force a bailout of the largest U.S. mortgage-finance companies, former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said.
Paulson learned of the “disruptive scheme” while attending the Beijing Summer Olympics, according to his memoir, “On The Brink.”
The Russians made a “top-level approach” to the Chinese “that together they might sell big chunks of their GSE holdings to force the U.S. to use its emergency authorities to prop up these companies,” Paulson said, referring to the acronym for government sponsored entities. The Chinese declined, he said.
Russia’s five-day war with U.S. ally Georgia started on Aug. 8, the same day as the opening ceremonies of the Beijing Games. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told U.S. President George W. Bush during those ceremonies that “war has started,” according to Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s spokesman.
“The report was deeply troubling -- heavy selling could create a sudden loss of confidence in the GSEs and shake the capital markets,” Paulson wrote. “I waited till I was back home and in a secure environment to inform the president.”
Russia never approached China about dumping U.S. bonds, Peskov said today. “This is not the case,” he said by phone.
Russia sold all of its Fannie and Freddie debt in 2008, after holding $65.6 billion of the notes at the start of that year, according to central bank data. Fannie and Freddie were seized by regulators on Sept. 6, 2008, amid the worst U.S. housing slump since the Great Depression.
Paulson said he was surprised not to have been asked about the Fannie and Freddie bonds during a trip to Moscow in June. “I was soon to learn, though, that ,” he said of his meeting with Dmitry Medvedev, who succeeded Putin in the Kremlin the previous month.
Putin kept Paulson waiting before their meeting at the government’s headquarters and made the conversation “fun” by being “direct and a bit combative,” Paulson said. “He never took offense and we could spar back and forth,” he said.
Paulson’s book is scheduled to be released Feb. 1, though Bloomberg News bought a copy at a New York bookstore.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=afbSjYv3v814
Poster Neo on gatewaypundit wrote:
Did the Russians eventually trigger the near financial collapse ?
Doesn this mean it wasn’t Bush’s fault ?
This does show that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have foreign policy/national security elements.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/krauthammer-slams-obama-for-lack-of-terrorism-talk-in-sotu-address/So why wouldn't anyone SAY anything, explain it was an electronic attack??
For the same reason that Glenn Beck brought out in his program.. China is America's financial boss.
See his discussion at the 1:55 mark of that same program I mentioned from yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt6z-R_2SiYSo the US was scared to say anything.. even though they know who did it.
It was an attack.. by China and Russia, together.
Getting a big picture here?Sara.
-- February 3, 2010 4:03 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Coincidentally...??
And wasn't it coincidental that after a joint attack by Russia and China resulting in a financial crisis..
the US elected Barack Hussein Obama and has moved towards the left.. toward socialism?
Moving toward those very same positions that Communist Russia and Communist China hold..
Isn't that just.. so coincidental?Sara.
-- February 3, 2010 4:09 PM ∞
Roger from Iraq wrote:
Hi all,
As everyone and his brother on this blogsite knows, I am not much for rumors, but found them enjoying.
There has always been a low bubbling rumor pool here in the camps, but not more than it could be easily dissmissed.
Lately though, rumors on the camps have started to take on an epedemic, and they seems to have reach a high point of fever.
There are guys (and girls) here starting to get in on a ...buy a million Dinars per paycheck....diet.
I have not been able to pinpoint any real source of rumors going on lately, and when askin around where they have gotten the info, it seems always to be the scenario that ...-"a guy that I talked with had spoken with" ...and so on.
This latest Dinar craze that I have experienced here on the bases, , well I have a possible explanation to it.
The time is up for most people here in Iraq, and bases are closing out one by one, people are being shuffled around like cattle from base to base, and the living conditions have been deteriorating as more and more services are terminated.
We had a lot of drivers ( about 85 of them) coming in from TQ when that base closed, and the drivers came from their own hootch , dinner facility cloeby, entertainment centers close by and so on, straight to beds that was lined up in an old warehouse.
Same with me, I moved from Taji over to Liberty, and went from my own room, to living in tents with a lot of other people, that snores.
The writing is on the wall, there are not too many paychecks left to collect here, and perhaps people start to look at what will "bail them out".
On the other hand, if Iraq wanted to do something with it's currency this would not be a bad time to do it.
I can see that we have some dissatisfied former investors here, that are trying to convince the rest of us that this is a train to hell, it is illusional, dreamlike and probably a pipedream.
What exactly have I done wrong then?
I give all the nyumbers to crunch for anyone that cares.
My total investment is in US Dollars 26500, or 40 million Dinars, at the time of the purchase.
I have 10 millions in a savingsaccount in Iraq, that currently gives 7% (where in the US will you get 7% anywhere today)
I put 30 Millions in stocks.
The stock value have about trippled. Last two months I have had about 10 e-mails from my bank.
telling me that I have recieved dividents from this or that company, and the dividentws are astonishing, between 10 and 47%.
And that is on top of the stock value increase.
Usually I get it in stocks, but also in cash value, that is directed straight into my savings account.
(and I get 7%interest on that too, of course)
Then the value of the Dinar has gone up about 33-35% (something like that) since I bought it.
Add that to the total value and you can see some interesting numbers.
US value ( I must admit I have not done a close caluclation yet) of my Dinar investment is in the neighborhood of 65-70000 US Dollars
Ok, Starting from 26.500 and ending up with 65-70000 bucks and the darn currency have not even revalued yet.
What exactly did I do wrong.
Mayber I should have bought 10 million Dinars, sold it back and then whine about it.
-- February 4, 2010 9:48 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
Me agreeing to disagree and move on does not mean I will not post my perspective. You are right this economy and the U.S. dollar are intentionally being debased It is not for foreign entity destroying our economy. If it were not for China and Japan buying U.S. treasuries economic collapse would have already occured.
The responsible parties for this debasement is Allen Greenspan, George W. Bush, Ben Bernanke, and now Obama. These gentlemen all have the same agenda; the destruction of the U.S. economy. These men have placed too much currency in circulation and creating a national debt of 21 trillion dollars by 2011. These men have stopped free markets from operating and instead have manipulated the market to the point of a currency crisis.
Concerning the Central Bank of Iraq, it continues to follow the same monetary and fiscal policy of its U.S. occupiers. For Iraq to truly prosper will require a coup by the people. Al-Malaki and Barzani are traitors and will be tried if the people are successful in an overthrow of the U.S. regime as Iran did in the 1970s. Though only a coup can Iraq rid themselves of the occupiers, Bremer Dinar, and a Rothschild controlled Central Bank. I believe if a possible nuclear attack occurs the people responsible are those currently occuping the executive branch and oour own industrial military complex. A crisis of this magnitude will justify the implementation of martial law carried out by NORTHCOM. An event like this will wipe away what little freedom we have left.
-- February 4, 2010 10:35 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Roger - I like your midas touch. :)
I am very glad to hear things are winding down there -
though of course, it would be nicer if folks had a booming economy to come back to.
As for RV, the Iraqis can do that anytime they wish.
Certainly, pegging their currency to assets is also something they are capable of doing.
It would give them short term prosperity.. which may be useful in the near future..
and I believe that they may be pursuaded it is a good time for them to do so, soon.
Stay safe.. you are always in my prayers.Rob N - Depends on what you consider a "foreign entity".. I suppose. Certainly, there are elements set against the US and her defense from within and without (though we may disagree on specifics). I suppose the founders put that in the pledge about defending America from "all enemies foreign and domestic" for a reason. I was just pointing out some of the enemy elements which are external, and have indicated that they are going to WAR with the United States, as in August 2008, quote, "Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told U.S. President George W. Bush during those ceremonies that “war has started,”".. (end quote). An interesting statement in light of what has happened since.. (beginning with.. an economic "war?"). This, along with the fact that Russia was urging China to dump all Fannie and Freddie - and the disclosure that Russia, quote, "sold all of its Fannie and Freddie debt in 2008".. which makes you wonder WHEN, of course. During the Sept. 18, 2008 electronic "run on the banks".. perhaps?
I have had a computer hard drive failure, with what looks like a virus wiping out my bios. After trying to get to the operating system, it won't work, and I won't go into the sordid details of the various things I have tried.. including attempting to load a flash from dos/startup, etc. Must go spend time fixing, and if not, researching what to buy to replace it.. so no posts for a while from me, I should suppose.
Perhaps it is just as well. If the Feb 11th date set by Iran to teach the "global arrogance" is the fruition of what I saw, my disclosure would not prevent it, and I am certain this Administration doesn't listen to anyone who isn't lockstep with them, anyway.. even if it would preserve their own lives. Because what I saw took out this Administration.. ALL of corrupt Washington (with some collateral damage).. and they would not have time to get underground in the scenerio I saw. At least three nuclear bombs exploded within seconds of one another in Washington in what I saw (it may have been more, the cloud just got bigger after that, not distinct explosions anymore). As I said.. it makes sense.. how this could happen with no warning as I witnessed.. I can see how it would work now - after carefully piecing together the facts disclosed by sources in the news with the evidence of what I saw.. but now I have other things I am forced to do.
Perhaps it is just as well because, after all.. if the enemy hasn't thought of it, I wouldn't want to unintentionally be putting it up on the internet, telling them how to do it successfully and thus precipitating that very event. That said, I do think the enemy has thought this through already, and are about to let it go.. very soon. As that last article I posted states, "Intelligence Officials Warn Attempted Al Qaeda Attack Only Months Away" saying, "The terrorist organization is deploying operatives to the United States to carry out new attacks from inside the country, CIA Director Leon Panetta told Congress"... An attack on the USA "in a few months time".. or, perhaps sooner?
Sara.
-- February 4, 2010 1:46 PM ∞
Confuzed wrote:
Sara, keep talking to Rob N. I've read his posts twice. IMHO, they don't make any sense. Rob must be going through a spiritual crisis of some sort. My guess is, that's why he had his "paradigm shift". Romans 8:28
-- February 4, 2010 3:32 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
My ISX link is back on and they have a nice new slick site-- February 4, 2010 11:03 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
A lop and new currency is coming. I have enclosed this article posted on another forum.
Monetary policy to delete the zeros of the Iraqi currency
Iraqi Central Bank is working on a strategy to delete the zeroes of the Iraqi currency in and out of their face value while maintaining the values of cash and purchasing power.
Central Bank of Iraq adviser to the appearance of Mohammed Salih said that this year will witness the launch of this strategy, stressing that the bank has completed 50% of the preparations that are working on since 2005.
Salih said the strategy was based on the principle of gradual substitution of the Iraqi currency with another is lower than in the nominal value, and pointed out that the positives of this strategy is that it will be less expensive and easier to trade.
For his part, sees Dr. Hilal Al-Tahan, that the application of such a strategy will not cause economic turmoil, or damage to the local market at the present time, while the economic analyst is willing to find satisfaction بليبل that the timing of the launch of this strategy is not appropriate, noting that the country's economy must be in a position of strength before the application of such changes.
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http://translate.google.com/translat...ate.google.com
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- February 5, 2010 9:45 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Confuzed,
I am not sure how my posts can not make sense. Iraq is following our Fed. According to the CBI website the supply of currency continues to increase year over year. As oil production increases their currency supply will also increase. Like the U.S. Iraq is attempting to monetize its debt by printing more currency. Currency supplies exceed current GDP. Any economist will tell you this creates an imbalance in the economy.
Like the U.S. Iraq faces a currency crisis because it is not tied to any tangible asset. For example, Canada ties their currency to commodities limiting the amount of money supply. Good faith in the USD does not work anylonger. The U.S. has been placed on credit watch and China has decreased the amount of junk U.S. treasuries it buys. Once the dollar collapses the Iraqi Dinar will also crash.
There is a remedy for the Dinar and that is to lop the inflationary zeros off of its currency making a 25000 note into a 25 dinar note; this will lessen the amount of currency in circulation. Limiting and reducing money supply after the lop should allow them to tie the dinar to a tangible asset like oil.
I posted an article from another forum about the plan to lop the currency; this has been caught in the spam filter hopefully it will be released soon. Concerning the points made I cannot see what I have stated is confusing. Perhaps your mind is only open to a mythical revaluation that will not occur.
Thanks,
Rob B.
Rob N.-- February 5, 2010 9:58 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Thanks so much, Confuzed.. I was wondering if I was talking to myself.. and the "Mad Hatter" in Alice and Wonderland there (meant good naturedly, of course). But with the way things are going right now, I think it is like living in Alice in Wonderland.. where the heck are we? It is enough to make a person Mad. The reason people turn to conspiracy theories is that they are a way of explaining the inexplicable and making sense when the world seems to be making very little sense at all. Also.. when things get as crazy as this, we have to admit that "something is afoot, my Dear Watson" and look for who has the football after the last fumble. I watched Glenn Beck's Feb 4th program and he talked about Iran.. he has been following this for eight years, he says.. and even HE doesn't see what they are about to do.
Since being forewarned is forearmed.. let's consider what the scenerio could possibly be? Let's see...
Well, let's suppose people are willing to help Iran go nuclear. Strange as that may seem, and as undiscussed as the point is, there are elements here, there and everywhere trying to help them with their goals, A FEW of which we can see when the attempts fail:
===
Parts sent to Iran could be used for nuclear weapons; 3 charged in alleged plot
January 13, 2010Los Angeles - Three men, including an Iranian-born chemical engineer living in Glendale, have been charged in a scheme to smuggle sophisticated industrial components into Iran that could be used in the development of a nuclear weapon, authorities said Wednesday.
The case has drawn interest at the highest levels of government, an official with Immigration and Customs Enforcement told The Times. The charges come as the U.S. is rallying allies to block Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
Authorities allege that the men were attempting to smuggle high-grade vacuum pumps and other items into Iran in violation of federal trade laws and U.S. sanctions against the country. Investigators’ suspicions were heightened by the great lengths to which the defendants went to hide their alleged activities.
“These were educated men,” said Louis Rodi, a top supervisor in the Los Angeles ICE office. “These individuals knew what they were doing.”
According to an indictment filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, Jiraiir Avanessian, 56, of Glendale was paid several hundred thousand dollars to ship “high dollar vacuum pumps and pump related” equipment to Iran.
The parts, which were mislabeled and significantly devalued on shipping manifests, were initially sent to the United Arab Emirates, making it appear that was their final destination, federal authorities said. But a co-defendant would then forward the items to a third defendant in Tehran, according to court papers.
Rodi stressed that investigators have no proof about what the devices were ultimately going to be used for, but said that he had been briefed on their potential uses and that they included “development of nuclear capabilities.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/parts-shipped-from-glendale-to-iran-could-be-used-for-nuclear-weapons-federal-investigation-launched.html
AND:
===
Taiwan Firm: China Got Iran Part With Nuke Uses
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 8, 2010TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) -- A Taiwanese company agreed to a request from a firm in China to procure sensitive components with nuclear uses, then shipped them to Iran, the firm's head said Friday. Such transactions violate U.N. sanctions imposed on the Middle Eastern nation.
The admission by Steven Lin of Hsinchu-based Heli-Ocean Technology Co. Ltd. comes amid an international effort led by the United States to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. While Lin said he didn't know whether the parts -- a vital component in the production of weapons-grade uranium -- were eventually used by Iran militarily, he did acknowledge that they have nuclear applications.
U.N. sanctions to prevent Iran from expanding its uranium enrichment program have led it to the black market to obtain sophisticated nuclear-related equipment. Aided by these illegal purchases, the program has grown to the stage where thousands of centrifuges are churning out enriched material, which can be used both for fuel or as the fissile core of nuclear warheads.
Iran insists that it wants to enrich uranium to generate nuclear power, but its attempts to evade probes by the International Atomic Energy Agency and its refusal to stop enrichment are increasing suspicions it actually seeks weapons capabilities.
In a telephone interview with The Associated Press, Lin said he received an Internet order from a Chinese firm in January or February 2008 to obtain an unspecified number of pressure transducers, which convert pressure into analog electrical signals.
While pressure transducers have many commercial uses, they furnish the precise measurements needed in the production of weapons-grade uranium.
Nuclear proliferation expert David Albright of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security told the AP that Iran tried hard to procure the transducers in Europe and Canada, but was thwarted by a concerted international effort.
However, he said, the existence of the Taiwanese-Chinese connection shows that Iran still has the ability to get what it needs by tapping alternative sources.
Lin did not identify the Chinese company that placed the transducer order, except to say that it was involved in the manufacture of pipeline for the oil industry.
He said that he obtained the transducers from a Swiss company, which he declined to name.
A Taiwanese government official told the AP on Friday that an official probe of the Taiwanese-Iranian transducer connection confirmed that 108 of the transducers had been sent from Taiwan to Iran at a Chinese request, but that the equipment was not precise enough to be placed on the island's export control list.
Beside being prohibited by the U.N. from pressure transducer purchases, Iran is also banned from buying them on the open market by the Nuclear Suppliers Group, an international body established to limit nuclear proliferation by controlling the export of materials that can be used in building atomic weapons.
Asked about the circuitous route of the transducer transaction -- from China to Taiwan to Switzerland, then back to Taiwan and finally to Iran -- the Taiwanese official said that such deals were common in international trade.
''It is fairly common to do business through third parties,'' he said. He did not elaborate.
Washington has been pressing both China and Russia to agree to stepped up sanctions to pressure Iran into stopping its alleged nuclear program, but so far without result.
Over the past several years China has been accused of directly aiding the alleged Iranian nuclear weapons development on a number of occasions. Washington has enacted sanctions against several Chinese companies. China has denied involvement in Iran's nuclear programs.
At the same time, Beijing has courted close relations with Iran, with Chinese state companies purchasing Iranian oil and investing in Iran's energy industry.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/08/world/AP-Iran-Nuclear.html?_r=2
QUOTE:
Asked about the circuitous route of the transducer transaction -- from China to Taiwan to Switzerland, then back to Taiwan and finally to Iran -- the Taiwanese official said that such deals were common in international trade.COMMON are they? So.. can we at least acknowledge that the sanctions are likely not stopping Iran from obtaining all they need for their "nuclear power plants".. or making nuclear weapons? The Iranians are not exactly finding it impossible to move toward their goals.. and people like China are furthering them in their nuclear ambitions. Obama's diplomatic stance is not keeping the world safe, just like Chamberlain wasn't containing Hitler by appeasement. It just gives them cover to take "the circuitous route" to get to where they are going. And China, who, coincidentally tends to be an enemy of the United States,"has courted close relations with Iran".. how close? Could they be among those who are helping in supplying them with the technology they need to build nuclear weapons??.. under the table of course... at arms length so it won't be traced back. Maybe that is the reason, quote, "Washington has been pressing both China and Russia to agree to stepped up sanctions to pressure Iran into stopping its alleged nuclear program, but so far without result.
And what about Russia, who, I documented (above), has stated "war has started" just before the economic meltdown in the same year when, coincidentally, they got rid of all their Fanny and Freddie debt, quote, Russia sold all of its Fannie and Freddie debt in 2008, after holding $65.6 billion of the notes at the start of that year, according to central bank data.
How are the Russians in their relations with Iran and its development of nuclear weapons?
===
Israel names Russians helping Iran build nuclear bomb
October 4, 2009Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has handed the Kremlin a list of Russian scientists believed by the Israelis to be helping Iran to develop a nuclear warhead. He is said to have delivered the list during a mysterious visit to Moscow.
Netanyahu flew to the Russian capital with Uzi Arad, his national security adviser, last month in a private jet.
His office claimed he was in Israel, visiting a secret military establishment at the time. It later emerged that he was holding talks with Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, and President Dmitry Medvedev.
“We have heard that Netanyahu came with a list and concrete evidence showing that Russians are helping the Iranians to develop a bomb,” said a source close to the Russian defence minister last week.
Related links:
Israel admits Bibi's secret Moscow trip
Iran's missiles are ‘ready to destroy Israel’
Russia denies Arctic Sea arms shipment to IranIsraeli sources said it was a short, tense meeting at which Netanyahu named the Russian experts said to be assisting Iran in its nuclear programme.
American officials said concern about Russian experts acting without official approval, had been raised by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in a report more than a year ago.
“There has been Russian help. It is not the government, it is individuals, at least one helping Iran on weaponisation activities and it is worrisome,” said David Albright, a former weapons inspector who is president of the Institute for Science and International Security.
However, Israeli officials insist that any Russian scientists working in Iran could do so only with official approval.
Robert Einhorn, the special adviser for non-proliferation and arms control to Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, is understood to believe that Russian companies have also supplied material that has been used by Iran in the production of ballistic missiles.
The disclosures came as Iran agreed at talks in Geneva to submit to IAEA inspections of its newly disclosed enrichment plant, which is being built under a mountain on a military base at Qom. Iran revealed the plant to the IAEA to pre-empt being caught out by an imminent announcement from western governments, which had discovered its existence.
The West says the plant is tailor-made for a secret weapons programme and proves Iran’s claim that its nuclear programme is intended only for peaceful purposes is a lie. The plant is designed to hold 3,000 centrifuges — enough to produce the material needed for one bomb a year.
Iran’s conduct over the next few weeks will determine whether the West continues its new dialogue or is compelled to increase pressure with tougher United Nations and other sanctions.
While there is consensus in the West that Iran is trying to acquire the capability to build a weapon, the progress of its weaponisation programme is a matter of fierce debate among intelligence agencies.
The Americans believe secret work to develop a nuclear warhead stopped in 2003. British, French and German intelligence believe it was either continuing or has restarted. The Israelis believe the Iranians have “cold-tested” a nuclear warhead, without fissile material, for its Shahab-3B and Sejjil-2 rockets at Parchin, a top-secret military complex southeast of Tehran.
The vast site is officially dedicated to the research, development and production of ammunition, rockets and explosives. Satellite imagery as early as 2003 has shown Parchin to be suitable for research into the development of a nuclear weapon, say western experts.
The Shahab-3B, which the Iranians test-fired last Monday, is capable of carrying a 2,200lb warhead. Its 1,250-mile range puts parts of Europe, Israel and US bases in the Middle East within its reach.
According to the Israelis, Russian scientists may have been responsible for the nuclear warhead design. But western experts have also pointed the finger at North Korea.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6860161.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
Triangulating and quietly cooperating together.. maybe the saying about people being friends if they have common enemies (like the United States/Great Satan) is true? Quite apart from the backroom elites and fodder for conspiracy theorists.. could our traditional enemies have a degree of cooperation going on there toward the same aim.. namely, removing the US from being the superpower (China's interest), Ushering in the Mahdi (Iran's interest)? and defeating the USA in the "second round" of the Cold War (Russia).
-- February 5, 2010 11:15 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
How real is the threat against the USA?
How soon could they procure the weapons?
I contend they already have them.. and are about to use them, shortly.
Perhaps as soon as February 11, 2010.Note the MSM press is complicit by ignoring the threat like ostriches with their heads in the sand, while a brave few piece together the puzzle.. from an article in 2005:
===
Why Haven't We Seen This?
Saturday, October 29, 2005If you follow the news you may have seen the picture of Iran's President Ahmadinejad speaking at the "World Without Zionism" conference where he spoke of wiping "Israel off the map."
But the rest of the graphic speaks a thousand words.
The Iranian government produced sophisticated visual props for this important speech, designed to send a message to the USA and the English speaking world. Those who produced this graphic were sophisticated enough to know that it would provide a great photo op.
What is the message they are trying to send?
Yes, that is the USA already at the bottom of the hourglass.
But notice that the USA is already broken in the bottom of the hourglass prior to the fall of Israel.
For some reason the world media has largely ignored his statements against the USA. In his speech he said:
QUOTE:We are in the process of an historical war between the World of Arrogance [i.e. the West] and the Islamic world, and this war has been going on for hundreds of years. ...
The issue of this [World without Zionism] conference is very valuable. In this very grave war, many people are trying to scatter grains of desperation and hopelessness regarding the struggle between the Islamic world and the front of the infidels ...
Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism? But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved...
===end quote===
So how would the Iranian regime achieve this?
You only need to listen to Ahmadinejad's chief strategic guru Hassan Abbassi, for the answer. Abbassi is the architect of the so-called "war preparation plan" currently under way in Iran. This is the same Hassan Abbassi who said:
QUOTE:
We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization... we must make use of everything we have at hand to strike at this front by means of our suicide operations or by means of our missiles. There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them.
==end quote==
According to respected Iranian analyst, Amir Taheri, Abbassi has also stated, QUOTE:
The Americans are not ready to send a million men (to defeat the Islamic Republic)," Abbasi said. "Even economic sanctions against the Islamic Republic will fail thanks to opposition from the Western public opinion and the refusal of most countries to implement (them). ...
But it is not only the US that Abbasi wants to take on and humiliate. He has described Britain as "the mother of all evils". In his lecture he claimed that the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, and the Gulf states were all "children of the same mother: the British Empire." As for France and Germany, they are "countries in terminal decline", according to Abbasi.
"Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover," he told his audience.
===end quote==
So it appears that in the short term, the regime is hoping to start a limited war with the USA that it believes it can survive, since they don't believe that the West has the will nor the means to occupy Iran at this time. This will buy them time for their longer term strategic plans for the world. Why is no taking these threats seriously?
posted by DoctorZin 10/29/2005
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2005/10/why-havent-we-seen-this.html
So note this.. "the regime is hoping to start a limited war with the USA that it believes it can survive", they have picked out 29 sensitive sites which they are planning to attack "by means of our suicide operations or by means of our missiles".. saying ""Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover."
Just inflammatory rhetoric? You see, the way people are thinking.. such as Glenn Beck and even the military exercises against Iran sending missiles at the USA.. FROM IRAN.. are so old school in their thinking. Are there any other ways nukes could get onto US soil from Iran.. but not sent actually sent up directly from the location of Iran? And the failure of the test did not inspire confidence, either:
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U.S. defense fails missile test mimicking Iran strike
Jim Wolf, WASHINGTON
Mon Feb 1, 2010WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A maiden U.S. attempt to shoot down a ballistic missile mimicking an attack from Iran failed after a malfunction in a radar the Defense Department said.
The Missile Defense Agency said both the target missile, fired from Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands, and the interceptor, from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, had performed normally after launch on Sunday.
"However, the Sea-Based X-band radar did not perform as expected," the agency said on its web site. Officials will investigate the cause of the failure to intercept, it said.
The SBX radar is a major component of the ground-based midcourse defense, the sole U.S. bulwark against long-range missiles that could be tipped with chemical, biological or nuclear warheads.
It was the first time the United States had tested its long-range defense against a simulated Iranian attack. Previous drills have imitated a flight path from North Korea, another country in a standoff with the international community over its nuclear program.
Experts have compared the simulation to a bullet hitting another bullet in space. O'Reilly said the goal was to destroy the target over the north central Pacific when the missiles had a combined closing speed of more than 17,000 miles per hour.
"Whenever we have a situation where we're taking on a missile more head on than from the side, that increases the challenges," O'Reilly had said.
The SBX radar is mounted on a mobile, ocean-going oil-drilling platform designed to provide the layered U.S. missile defense system with a powerful sensor that can be positioned to cover any spot on the globe.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6104F420100201?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
O'Reilly said the goal was to destroy the target over the north central Pacific...
Would they really send them over the Pacific Ocean and past the entire land mass of the USA in trying to strike Washington, D. C.? Or would it be like I saw.. a coordinated attack along the East Coast, quickly wiping out the command and control structure of the USA and Canada, up and down the entire coast? Which is more rational to believe an objective?
And what was that about suicide bombers and missiles, again?
There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them. we must make use of everything we have at hand to strike at this front by means of our suicide operations or by means of our missiles.
And now, there are people boarding PLANES headed for the USA.. wonder how that could fit? You think they might possibly be part of an "operation" in the works? A coordinated one.. with suicide bombers AND missiles.. not from the location on the globe called IRAN directly.. but directed from there and from closer by, perhaps. How could that work?
-- February 5, 2010 11:27 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Now, the problem with living on the other side of the globe and trying to nuke America from there is.. it is awfully hard operationally to do it. No.. really. If you have the structure in place with suicide bombers (with or without suitcase nukes) and missiles (close to the US, not being sent from a billion miles away where it is easy to pick it off).. how do you coordinate all that? Well.. a satellite with telecommunications capabilities is certainly a great boon to those goals, isn't it?
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Iran Unveils New Satellite Capabilities on Eve of Revolution Anniversary
FEBRUARY 3, 2010
By CHIP CUMMINSDUBAI—Iran test-fired a new satellite rocket and unveiled a series of what it said were home-grown advances in a space program that has worried Western officials because of possible cross-over applications in the country's weapons program.
In addition to the test-firing, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad unveiled on Wednesday three new telecommunications satellites and a new satellite-carrier engine, according to state media.
The test firing comes as the Islamic Republic celebrates its 31st anniversary. Commemorations began earlier this week and culminate on Feb. 11, the day in 1979 that the shah's forces capitulated during the Iranian revolution. During the same commemoration period last year, Iran launched its first domestically made and propelled satellite.
Tehran has long said its space program, like its nuclear program, is aimed at peaceful purposes. Wednesday's rocket carried a capsule of living organisms—a rat, two turtles and worms—into space for experimentation, the state-run English-language Press TV reported.
Iranian claims of technological advances, especially in weapons development, are often viewed skeptically by outside analysts. Still, the test-firing could raise fresh alarms about Iran's weapons development. Many of the same technologies used in satellite development can be applicable to missile-delivery systems.
The satellite announcement comes a day after Mr. Ahmadinejad surprised many Western observers by suggesting in a televised interview late Tuesday that Tehran no longer objected to a long-stalled nuclear-fuel deal at the heart of current efforts by Western capitals to rein in the country's nuclear ambitions.
See: Iran Is Ready for Nuclear Deal, Leader Says
Washington is pushing for fresh economic sanctions against Iran after being frustrated by Tehran's response to the draft deal, hammered out between Iran, Western powers and the International Atomic Energy Agency last year. The deal calls for Iran to ship out the bulk of its low-enriched uranium, to be refined overseas and then returned for use in a medical-research reactor. Western officials see the deal as a way of delaying any Iranian effort to develop a nuclear weapon.
After Iranian negotiators agreed to the proposed deal, several Tehran officials spent months criticizing it, and appeared to rule out the deal in its current form in December. But Mr. Ahmadinejad's comments late Tuesday night suggested Tehran's position has changed once again. U.S. officials remain wary, saying that if Iran has agreed to the deal, Tehran should officially notify the IAEA.
My thoughts on this? Yeah, nothing like that olive leaf of "being ready for a nuclear deal" as they complete their secret plans for their command and control center structure for the nuclear strike using their TELECOMMUNICATIONS satellites, hey? Carrot of peace.. while arming their (very large) stick in the background. NO, the rocket launch isn't to send up missiles FROM IRAN against the USA.. it is to COORDINATE the attack.. using both missiles (closer in) and suicide bombers and trained operatives on the ground. Remember the claim of TWENTY NINE sites they have targeted.. could it be on US/Canadian soil? How can they hit so many in coordination? They need eyes in the sky.. to send messages to those on the ground and to push the buttons to launch missiles which are not a million miles away in Iran.. but close by to the US.. ready to be fired. Remember.. the aim is quote, "a world without America and Zionism." Without AMERICA.. takes quite a bit of doing, don't you think? But if they target 29 sites which are strategic and then have coordinated units on the ground afterward.. could it make sense this goal might not be so fantastical and out of the park?
How about running this as the scenerio.. ??.. instead of missiles sent from Iran toward the US, which is so very highly unlikely to achieve its aim.
-- February 5, 2010 11:43 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Of course, other groups could be coordinating with each other.. and Iran, as well:
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Officials: 'Credible Intelligence' on Terror Attack Planning Against U.S.
FOXNews.com
Updated January 14, 2010Credible intelligence has emerged that Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is plotting another attack against the United States and U.S. interests abroad, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed to Fox News on Thursday.
The intelligence is described as not specific about time, place or method of attack, but is being taken seriously, according to this official.
The new information does not come from 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who allegedly tried to bring down flight 253 on Christmas Day.
According to those familiar with the intelligence, the strategic threat from Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, based in Yemen, has intensified and the group is emboldened by the failed Dec. 25 plot.
"The threat did not end on Christmas Day", according to one source familiar with the intelligence.
Al Qaeda in Yemen and the Al Qaeda affiliate in Somalia, known as Al Shabaab -- translated as Mujahadeen Youth -- are described as having "shared interests and shared goals."
U.S. counterterrorism officials say clear connections now can be traced between the two terrorist groups and they are not ruling out the possibility that they are working together to attack U.S. interests.
U.S. officials also remain concerned about two dozen Somali Americans who disappeared into the Al Shabaab training camps in Somalia in the last 18 months. Their American passports would allow them to reenter the United States.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/14/officials-credible-intelligence-collected-terror-attack-planning/?test=latestnews
And certainly, they would use anything at their disposal to get through the US defenses in the case of such a planned coordinated attack. Again, the planes may not be the real target here in the case of a staged massive-casualty coordinated event:
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Women bombers create new security challenge
'These may not look like al-Qaida, and may not be men'
Posted: January 27, 2010Security officials are expressing concern over how to detect non-Arab speaking women with Western appearances who may now be used as suicide bombers, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
The U.K. terror threat level was raised from "substantial" to "severe" this week – the second highest rating, meaning a threat is "highly likely." Former White House adviser Richard Clarke said the move followed intelligence that al-Qaida has trained women to bring down planes.
At least two women are thought to have been trained by the Yemen-based group behind syringe bomber Umar Abdulmutallab's Christmas Day jet bomb plot. They are thought to have non-Arab appearance and to be traveling on Western passports, making them difficult to trace.
"They have trained women. There are others who are still out there who have been trained and who are clean skins – that means people who we do not have a record," Clarke said. "These people may not look like al-Qaida, may not be Arabs and may not be men."
Security officials believe that using such candidates will offer a serious challenge to U.S. security.
Women's names generally are not on the various no-fly lists, nor are they incorporated in intelligence that has helped security teams focus on the likely troublemakers. That is precisely the type of focus that al-Qaida is counting on for future terrorist attacks.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123350
There is, quote, "intelligence that al-Qaida has trained women to bring down planes. "
I wonder what other training they may have had.. remember those on the ground of the USA who were practicing slitting throats?
From a previous post:
'Chilling' new video: How to slit throats
Jihad maneuvers taught at New York compound
Posted: December 15, 2009
By Bob UnruhA new video released by the Christian Action Network shows Muslim women at a compound in New York state practicing throat-slitting techniques and assault weapons attacks. Jamaat ul-Fuqra has built 35 compounds – mostly in the northeastern corridor of the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebg6AFylios&feature=player_embedded
The video shows women marching in military formation, scaling walls, engaging in hand-to-hand combat and also reveals a Muslim confirming that the organization's own census revealed that Muslims are a majority in the United States and they are claiming it as their own.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119087
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Texas Homeland Security Chief: 'Terrorists Crossed Border' -- MSM Ignores News
By Warner Todd Huston
September 19, 2007DALLAS - Texas' top homeland security official said Wednesday that terrorists with ties to Hezbollah, Hamas and al-Qaida have been arrested crossing the Texas border with Mexico in recent years.
"A porous border without question is a national security threat," he said.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2007/09/19/texas-homeland-security-chief-terrorists-crossed-border-msm-igno
-- February 5, 2010 12:01 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
DinarAdmin;
Check the filter, please?
Sara.
-- February 5, 2010 12:01 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
"War Has Started" Russia... Officially Declares Right to Nuke Potential Aggressor??
Now, in keeping with the fact that Russia and China are helping Iran arm with nukes, and Putin telling President Bush that "war has started" in August of 2008, this becomes very important:
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Russia Officially Declares Right to Nuke Potential Aggressor
Front page / Russia / News from the Kremlin
14.10.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru
A new version of Russia’s military doctrine will contain details of using nuclear arms when repelling aggression with the use of conventional means of destruction in both large-scale and local armed conflicts.Nikolai Patrushev, the head of Russia’s Security Council, said in an interview with the Izvestia newspaper that Russia would consider an opportunity of using nuclear arms depending on circumstances and intentions of a potential enemy.
“In situations critical for national security, a preventive nuclear strike against the aggressor is not ruled out,” he said.
The section of Russia’s military doctrine about the opportunity to use nuclear weapons was formulated to preserve the status of a nuclear power for the Russian Federation. The document states that Russia can apply nuclear deterrence against potential enemies to prevent aggression against Russia and its allies.
“It will be a transparent military doctrine, to let everyone know which security measures we elaborate in Russia and abroad, which goals we have and how we are going to achieve them,” Patrushev said.
The current military doctrine was approved in 2000. It particularly says that Russia is entitled to use nuclear weapons in response to a nuclear attack or an act of a large-scale war against Russia.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in an interview with Echo of Moscow radio station that the USA did not permit a nuclear first-strike under its own military guidelines.
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/kremlin/14-10-2009/109884-russia_nuclear-0
Nothing like a level playing field here, is there.. the USA did not permit a nuclear first-strike under its own military guidelines. ... BUT Russia can apply nuclear deterrence against potential enemies to prevent aggression against Russia and its allies.
How might that work? Who are Russia's "allies"?
IRAN, maybe?===
Iran To Build Ten New Enrichment Plants
From Iran’s Press TV:Iran set to construct ten new enrichment plants
Sun, 29 Nov 2009Days after a new resolution by the UN nuclear watchdog called on Iran to halt the construction of its Fordo enrichment plant, the Iranian government tasks the Atomic Energy Organization (AEO) with building ten more nuclear enrichment sites.
According to the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the AEO should begin the construction of five of the requested enrichment facilities over the next two months.
Upon the Iranian government’s request, the organization should also propose locations for the remaining five enrichment plants within a two-month period.
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Meanwhile, also from Iran’s Press TV:
Iran, Russia begin joint economic session
Sun, 29 Nov 2009Iran and Russia have kicked off a summit of the countries’ joint energy commission with the establishment of a joint oil firm and a gas swap deal topping the agenda.
Russian Energy Minister Sergey Shmatko arrived in Tehran on Sunday to attend the two-day summit.
The summit aims to discuss details of an agreement for swapping gas from Central Asia to the Persian Gulf; the setting up of a joint venture for energy projects in the two countries as well as third-party states; and the joint exploration and development of oil and gas fields.
The agreement was signed between Shmatko and Iranian Oil Minister Gholam-Hossein Nozari on the sidelines of an OPEC summit in March.
Swaps are agreements by which a country can supply goods to another in exchange for the latter giving the equivalent to a third party.
Tehran and Moscow plan to swap up to 50 million cubic meters of Iran’s natural gas from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf.
Shmatko is also expected to discuss with Tehran officials the long-delayed Bushehr nuclear plant in the southern Iran.
The Bushehr plant was originally scheduled to be completed in 1999 but its completion has repeatedly been delayed.
Russia has recently announced the nuclear plant would not become operational, as promised, by the end of 2009.
Russia has cited “technical” issues as the reason for the delays, ruling out any political motivation in the matter.
In a meeting with Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki earlier on Sunday, the Russian energy minister said Moscow’s policy towards Tehran would not change, saying his country is seeking “long-term relations” with Iran.
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Aren’t we glad we pushed the ‘reset button’ with the Soviet Union/Russia?
They are so helpful now.
This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Sunday, November 29th, 2009.
Comment:
1) beautyofreason
Well, the Russians and Iranians are really milking Obama’s appeasement to the limit.
Giving up that missile defense system in Poland has really made Russia love us.http://sweetness-light.com/archive/iran-to-build-ten-new-nuclear-plants
-- February 5, 2010 12:35 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Well, you know, in the military structure of countries, it is generally acknowledged that the reason for secrets and higher levels of clearance is that, well.. they do things in secret which are BEYOND what the acknowledged capabilities are. So.. if we know about it, chances are.. they have something better that tops that one, right? So.. these folks who have just changed their military stance and said they will nuke POTENTIAL aggressors (when is a better time to nuke America than now, I ask you?).. what are they acknowledging they can or will soon be able to do?
THIS:
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Russia To Develop ‘Invincible’ Missiles
From Russia’s Izvestia, via Pravda:Russia and India To Develop Supersonic Missile Invincible to Interception
16.10.2009Russia and India will start the development of a new supersonic missile nearly invincible to interception. No army in the world has anything similar to it. The sum of the investment has not been defined yet, but it can be expected to reach billions of dollars.
The missile is to become a successor of the supersonic missile BrahMos (known as Yahont in the Russian army) that is now installed on ships, land missile complexes and may soon be installed on Su-30 MKI fighter jets and submarines. This possibility was discussed on Tuesday at the meeting of an intergovernmental committee on military and technical collaboration that took place in Moscow and was chaired by Russian and Indian Defense Ministers, Anatoly Serdyukov and Arackaparambil Kurien Antony…
It is unique since it’s the only cruise missile in the world that can be launched both as a single unit and a group. Its highly intelligent operational system allows the missile to reach the speed of Mach 3.0, which is three times faster than the speed of the subsonic American Tomahawk cruise-missile). BrahMos can engage any sea target, and a group of these missiles can destroy an entire ship formation.
The missiles are so clever that they not only detect a target but develop a plan of attack based on the enemy’s air defense. They know exactly which target is the primary one, which of them is an attacker and which is a defender. When the main target is destroyed, they re-prioritize and continue with the attack. Now even more advanced missile is on the way…
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Er, what was the supposed benefit of dropping the missile defense shield for Europe again?
Isn’t this one of the weapons that would no longer be built?
And of course we were to get increased co-operation from the Russians in our efforts to stop Iran’s development of nuclear weapons.
Lies. All lies.This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Friday, October 16th, 2009.
Comments:
1) proreason
This will even things up between Russia and the US, and make the world safer.
And even if it doesn’t, we meant well.2) RightWinger
Don’t forget the news that Barry is going to give some more missle technology to the Chinese, who will then parse it out to the North Koreans for some more proxy sabre rattling. That will somehow trickle down to the Iranians for better missle guidance.
I’m just wondering when Barry will finally get around to saying we are going to completely disarm in the name of “world peace”.
3) GetBackJack
PsyOps
Exactly the same plan that Reagan’s White House developed to pressure the Soviet bloc into choosing to collapse rather than attempt spending themselves blind trying to keep pace with American technology development. Payback. An attempt to further derange Obama’s peeps and make them go crying into a corner.
The hare now chases the fox. Or, in this instance, the sloth.
If these ‘missiles’ can fly faster than the speed of light, then by all means they’re invincible. Since you’ve recently heard of airborne laser weapons platforms you would be well advised to bet every dollar you can get at the Big Window in Vegas that what’s allowed to seep out into the public domain is … in a phrase … Old News. Let alone the electro-magnetic wave front weapons systems we ALREADY possess.
Heads of mush.
4) canary
Obama wrote Reagan’s star wars was a complete failure. Obama has repeatedly tried to cut down our defense budget. Town Hall in Missouri he said in 2 years if we pay out social security there won’t be funds for troops; and national parks will have to be closed (his future mega lands he scoped out on his campaign vacation)
Obama blames America for Indonesia’s problems (terrorist muslims wiping out moderate muslims that’s been going on for centuries only esculating to murder in the streets) After we wiped out the communist Japanese and Dutch who took over Indonesia; Obama is angry because while Indonesia itself worked at destroying communists in their country, America did not stop it. But, Obama claims Vietnam was a mistake. And Obama writes questions, why Iraq? Why not N. Korea, instead. (duh. we saved S. Korea, and N. Korea wasn’t bombing and destroying the entire globe)Another example of how Afganistan war is different than the Vietnam war?
In Vietnam our soul purpose was to kill the communist North who were slaughtering the South, like the Korea war.
Afganistan is different because our soldiers are living in the belly of the most dangerous terrorists in the present world, and instead of focusing on destroying them, our soldiers have to be careful and protect their goats, build their wells, and compounds, bring them supplies, education, medical supplies, etc. Our soldiers can not shoot a woman who points a rifle at them. They can only point their rifle back and play Russian Roulet.Obama wrote he had no ideas or answers in how to fight the terrorists, but was open to ideas. (2006) Over all, he believes in Truman’s Cold War policies. (might explain that statement respecting Churchill ?) Unbelievably, no one pointed this admittance of Obama that he did not have the answers for this war.
Americans voted for an ignorant bottom of the barrel 2-bit lawyer who admitted he knows nothing about fighting a war.
Obama only knows how to fight a war against the U.S. of America, choosing his Bill Ayers, Marxist, & communist friends as his mother taught him.5) pdsand
I thought any development in American nuclear missile technology or missile shield technology was a threat to Russia and destabilized world peace. How come Obama’s not out their criticizing the Russians for being a threat to the U.S. and world peace? Oh silly me. I forgot they just want the U.S. to have poor nuke technology and the Russians to have superior power so that they can defeat us.
6) beautyofreason
How many foreign policy foibles can one President rack up in a year?
I’ll take ‘we’re screwed’ for 1000, Alex.1. Effort: Invite Iranian diplomats to fourth of July celebrations in Washington.
Result: Ouch! Declined – oh, and a couple hundred Iranian kids got shot for protesting a fake election.2. Effort: Remove missile defense system plans from a European ally to please Russia, and exert pressure on Iran.
Result: Ouch, Russia is the kind of girl who strikes your heart when you’re vulnerable. No push for Iranian sanctions, a new missile system, AND a new policy allowing nuclear war for small-scale conflicts. But at least we’re lowering our defenses. Drop trow – Score!3. Effort: Outreach to the Muslim world
Result: Bow to the Saudi King, ignore Islam’s political branch, splurge to cover Fatah’s budget shortage and choose a Muslim adviser who calls Shariah law “misunderstood.” Bing.4. Effort: The world must love us
Result: Well, you’ve at least got compliments from Castro and Chavez (it takes a lot of heart to go from “big Satan” to “read this”). Keep trying, soon Iran will love you too!http://sweetness-light.com/archive/russia-to-develop-invincible-missile
Now, whereas the one commenter (above) correctly states that there has to be superior (classified) weaponry out there.. he then incorrectly says not to worry, because though we may have super secret superior weapons.. that relies on time to react. We don't have a computer running the defense systems of the USA.. we have people.. and it was a vowed promise of Obama to take the US off "hair trigger alert".. so a missile travelling at mach 3 (or above) shot from a platform at sea.. how fast could that reaction be? Remember, these missiles are "to become a successor of the supersonic missile BrahMos (known as Yahont in the Russian army) that is now installed on ships, ... fighter jets and submarines. AND they are intelligent.. and the only cruise missile in the world that can be launched both as a single unit and a group. What I saw I am convinced was a group. The strikes looked simultaneous and there was no interception. It happened too fast for those "no longer on hair trigger alert" to do anything about it, perhaps?
Also, note that the Obama Administration is not exactly a war oriented group and how they have performed in the past was, as stated in the following assessment "the DNI/NCTC basically allowed everyone to assume that someone else would take charge of threat “dots,” and no one ever did."
Think it can't happen?... when it is quote, "to the point where Rep. Brad Miller (D-NC), the chair of the House committee that oversees the no-fly/TIDES effort, says that “The program not only can’t connect the dots, it can’t find the dots.”"
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NYT: Obama administration missed more terror warning signs than acknowledged in report
January 18, 2010
by Ed MorrisseyIn his televised address to the nation almost two weeks ago, Barack Obama said “the buck stops with me” and took responsibility for the failure to prevent the EunuchBomber. The report from Obama’s national-security team acknowledged a failure to connect the dots, blaming it on bureaucratic snarls and a lack of attention to mission guidelines. However, the New York Times reports today that the Obama administration missed more red flags than it has acknowledged — and didn’t pay enough attention to the growing threat from Yemen:
Mr. Obama this month presented his government’s findings on how the plot went undetected. But a detailed review of the episode by The New York Times, including more than two dozen interviews with White House and American intelligence officials and with counterterrorism officials in Europe and Yemen, shows that there were far more warning signs than the administration has acknowledged.
The officials also cited lapses and misjudgments that were not disclosed in the declassified government report released Jan. 7 about what went wrong inside the nation’s counterterrorism network.
In September, for example, a United Nations expert on Al Qaeda warned policy makers in Washington that the type of explosive device used by a Yemeni militant in an assassination attempt in Saudi Arabia could be carried aboard an airliner.
In early November, American intelligence authorities say they learned from a communications intercept of Qaeda followers in Yemen that a man named “Umar Farouk” — the first two names of the jetliner suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab — had volunteered for a coming operation.
In late December, more intercepts of Qaeda operatives in Yemen, who had previously focused their attacks in the region, mentioned the date of Dec. 25, and suggested that they were “looking for ways to get somebody out” or “for ways to move people to the West,” one senior administration official said.
And the same day those White House meetings on terrorist activities took place, a Qaeda figure made ominous — and seemingly prescient — threats against the United States.
“We carry prayer beads, and with them we carry a bomb for the enemies of God,” a man describing himself as a Qaeda fighter from Yemen announced in a video released on Al Jazeera satellite television. “The issue is between us and America and its allies, and beware, those who stand in the ranks of America.”
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Why didn’t the Christmas Day reference tighten security on flights to the US? Counterterrorism officials just assumed that the Yemeni branch of AQ didn’t have the sophistication to get a terrorist onto a flight. And worse, no one took command of any one particular threat thread. The massive bureaucracy imposed by Congress in 2005 as the DNI/NCTC basically allowed everyone to assume that someone else would take charge of threat “dots,” and no one ever did.
The assumption of a lack of sophistication seems utterly inexplicable. Just a few months earlier, a terrorist used the exact same device to detonate his underwear in an attempt to assassinate the Saudi head of counterterrorism operations. He failed to kill his target, but the terrorist succeeded in getting the bomb past multiple layers of tight security. That should have ended any assumptions about a lack of sophistication on the part of Yemeni AQ.
Now, the intelligence community is angry over the White House attempts to put the blame on its operations, claiming that political considerations impede their ability to do tasks like update the no-fly list and the TIDES database. The Times report still makes a rather compelling case that the main problem with identifying and blocking Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was not political, though, but bureaucratic. The structure of the DNI/NCTC has added to the problems identified by the 9/11 Commission rather than solving them — to the point where Rep. Brad Miller (D-NC), the chair of the House committee that oversees the no-fly/TIDES effort, says that “The program not only can’t connect the dots, it can’t find the dots.”
Barack Obama can legitimately say that he inherited these problems, although in part from himself, since he was part of that Congress that created the mess in 2005. The question is whether he will end the mess and create a more flexible and responsive structure for intelligence that finds and connects the dots before Dutch filmmakers have to throw themselves onto terrorists bound for America.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/18/nyt-obama-administration-missed-more-terror-warning-signs-than-acknowledged-in-report/
The intelligence community says "political considerations impede their ability to do tasks."
You don't say?Whether political or bureaucratic, the point is.. it puts America at risk.
“The program not only can’t connect the dots, it can’t find the dots.”And all these enemies need is the time to launch one set of bombs.
Exactly how that can be achieved is debatable..
But I do wonder if perhaps this set of launched missiles is what I saw.
If so, I still believe they may be able to launch them successfully.. all too soon.Sara.
-- February 5, 2010 1:05 PM ∞
Arby's wrote:
Rob B, and Rob N, I will enjoy my money, once an RV happens, and will make a toast to all the foolish people who prematurely sold theirs, due to imaginary theories.
-- February 5, 2010 4:07 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
Will someone please tell me what kind of freedom has the U.S. occupying force brought to Iraq? Are the Iraqi people better off having a foreign troops in their country? Was Poland, Belgium, and Holland better off by having the Nazi's occupy them. Currently, the U.S. controls the Iraqi government. One proof of this statement is a Iraq's monetary and fiscal policy; it is exactly what our FED is doing. Al-Malaki and Karzai in Afghanistan are merely puppets of the U.S. government.
Karzi won the election in Afghanistan because of U.S. interference in the election process. I am certain some U.S. interference will result in a one-sided parliamentary elections in Iraq. For Iraq to truly prosper they must rid themselves of the occupiers and a coup de tat must occur overthrowing the government of Al-Malaki. Al-Malaki is a traitor to the Iraqis and should be tried as such. He along with the current GoI and CBI continue increase money supply in order to monetize its debt. They are a debtor nation and as long as they follow what our FED does they will continue to be a debtor nation.
Unless Iraq's monetary and fiscal issues with the Bremer Dinar are addressed the country will remain inpoverished regardless of how much oil is produced. In my view, this Bremer Dinar is a dead currency without hope of appreciating. For those of you that hold cash dinars or even bank accounts at Al-Warka prepare yourselves for a devaluation of the currency once the usd collapses. With a collapse of the usd the CBI cannot continue to maintain the managed rate of 1170/1. Since the Iraqi Dinar is tied exclusively to the dollar this expected collapse will further weaken the people's purchasing power.
Since the Bremer Dinar is not tied to oil and can not ever be linked to oil production because of the amount of currency in circulation; waiting for a revaluation or reversion is a complete waste of time. Current monetary and fiscal policy does not warrant such action by the CBI. I offer this as a warning to speculators dump those dinars because the end result is that you will loose all you have invested. As my grandfather used to say; "get out while the getin is good".
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- February 5, 2010 4:52 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Arby's,
My theories are not imaginary. It is a fact that there is to much money currently in circulation in Iraq. Visit the CBI website to see a graph showing the continued increase of the money supply year after year. Next, it is a fact that Iraq continues to print currency in order to monetize its debt. This same practice is being done here in the U.S. Iraq and the U.S. are printing so much currency in order to debase their respective currencies. It is a fact while Iraq continues to print its currency it is at the sametime assuming more debt. They recieved a 7 trillion dinar loan from the IMF. It is a fact that Iraq's monetary supply exceeds GDP. It is a fact that the Dinar lacks purchasing power impoverishing its people.
Regardless of what you think there will never be a revaluation. You may exchange your Bremer Dinar with the inflationary zeros in for smaller denominations or GCC notes unless Iraq closes its borders during the exchage period. The idea of $1,000.00 usd for a 1000000 dinar and hope for a 100,000% gain is dellusional.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- February 5, 2010 5:03 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
For the cynics and critics who don't care or understand,
and for those who do understand, because it should be said:-- February 5, 2010 8:21 PM ∞
Rob Em wrote:
American neo-fascist Bush-Cheney and their Jewish moneylenders will soon rule the world! Mahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahh!
-- February 5, 2010 9:23 PM ∞
wrote:
-- February 5, 2010 9:34 PM ∞
AON wrote:
A SCORPION MOMENT (Author Unknown)
There was this Hindu who saw a scorpion floundering around in the water. He decided to save it by stretching out his finger, but the scorpion stung him. The man still tried to get the scorpion out of the water, but the scorpion stung him again.
A man nearby told him to stop saving the scorpion that kept stinging him.
But the Hindu said: "It is the nature of the scorpion to sting. It is my nature to love. Why should I give up my nature to love just because it is the nature of the scorpion to sting?"
Don't give up loving.
Don't give up your goodness.
Even if people around you sting.
If you don't have enemies, you don't have character.
-- February 8, 2010 1:12 PM ∞
November 1, 2009
Dinar And Discussion November, December 09 & January 10
By DinarAdmin
This is the Dinar And Discussion Page for November and December 09 & January 2010
seadesk wrote:
FYI.
For those of you in the U.S. wishing to use the services of the Arab American Chamber of Commerce (Annapolis, MD) in order to expedite Iraqi Embassy certification of documents necessary for ISX trading, note that their address has changed.
Current address, as of 10/28/09:
Arab American Chamber of Commerce
Certification Department
1615 Bayhead Rd.
Annapolis, MD 21409
Attn: Ahmad Miski
Tel: (410) 757-5544 or 1-888-999-5991Earl
-- November 1, 2009 7:00 AM ∞
Jeff wrote:
Any new news regarding RV of Iraqi dinar??
-- November 1, 2009 4:01 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Jeff,
No specific updates regarding a revaluation but there are a couple of items you might be interested in. On the Iraq Investors Forum one of its members (Seaview)posted an article concerning the approval of all the amendments in the investment law by Parliment; the link, http://www.radiodijla.com/cgi-bin/ne...?id=2009-11-01
On the same site Kevlad posted an article concerning the comments of a Senior Economist calls for new exchange rate for the Dinar against the US Dollar; the link, http://translate.googleusercontent.c...KFlYUFBhpaGoAg
We are still in a holding patterns but with the CNBC coverage and these articles things may be moving from a no movement to a slow crawl. Now, I would like to the stale mate over election law settled.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 1, 2009 8:10 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Kevin,
This stupid spam filter is stupid; this is why I do not post anymore. Don't bother posting my last one becuase it will be last until that spam filter is removed and if it is not removed I will never post here again. Grow up man and take that stupid spam filter off.
Thanks,
Rob N.
FIXED the Post.. DinarAdmin.
-- November 1, 2009 8:14 PM ∞
seadesk wrote:
Rob N.,
First, don't go. What spam filter? Who's Kevin?
I'm missing something here, it doesn't matter, of course, but don't go, don't go; stay with us.
THE THING IS - is that this forum is yours too; you are part of it and personally I'm happy and thankful for that.
Hell, Roger has ME on "probation." Gotta love the dude...
Anyway, take a breath, see THROUGH the tension...
We need your thoughts.
Come to Seattle and I'll buy you lunch.
Earl
-- November 1, 2009 11:42 PM ∞
Roger back home in the US wrote:
Earl,
In light of the latest info, that all newbies to Warka has to do the passport thingie, you were right, that is the new procedure.
That means your detention is lifted, (but your still on probation)
As for my own wrongful assumption in the matter. I've got Teflon coating, and will hereby use one of my many "Get Out Of Jail" cards.
Rob N.
Ol pal hang in there, and face it, you have to write it with your own hand. (and worst of all....you have to create it with your own mind)
I have had a lot of benefit from the articles you posted, but I remeber when I first came onto this blog, that one of my first mentions, was that I am fully able and capable to read articles myself on my own time, all that is needed is a link.
I guess the administrator finally put spamfilters there. My guess is that the intention is to revitalise this blog to be what it was intended to be in the firt place.
Live people talking with live people on the subject of Dinars.
All,
Iraq are doing a reach across the borders, and are doing the first steps in getting in on GCC.
If they will get in there or not is uncertain, and if they are getting in, it will not be a month and a half from now.
It will however put the Dinar, and the possiblity of an RV in another light.
Eventually, the GCC will have a common currency, but even inbetween themselves they are far apart in any closer agreement on that point. So far each gulf state are more interested in the welfare of their own currency over any possible alignement of currency.
Heck Kuwait revalued not too long ago a couple of percent, and in fact rumors are that they need to do it again.
The parity of currencies are not leveled out in any shape or form inbetween those states.
Either way, that is another debate, but as far as Iraq is concerned, it will press Iraq to have a strong look at it's own currency before it even will start to look attractive to the rest of the world.
The gulf states have pretty good weight to their currency, and you have to fork up quite a hefty bunch of Dollars to get the vaues for their curency.
Iraq is the opposite. You fork up a buck and get thousand and more Iraqi Dinars in your hand.
If Iraq is serious and are actually heading towards a future membership of the GCC states, this will help our investment in the Dinars, as the Iraqi currency, compared with the GCC members currancy , is so far off the chart that it is obvious that it needs an overhaul
This is one more pressure on the CBI to RV.
BP and a Chineese company are right now completing the Iraqis first real contract for Iraqs biggest "megafield".
THAT is Iraqis key to sucess. December will reportedly see more contracts on other fields.
This negotiation round seem to be behind closed doors , much better than the TV spectacle the Iraqis tried to pull off in the first round.
My fair guess is that the oil companies was laughing their lips off when the Iraqis pulled that one off.
Enemy activity has risen slightly, that is in my opinion an effect of the up and coming Afghan deployments. The enemy figures, that if they can stirr the shitstick in Iraq a little bit more, the troops that are suppose to be transfered from Iraq to Afhanistan, will have to stay in Iraq.
I think they're grasping for straws, that will not happen.
We're already out of major cities, are closing base after base, and troops are more in garrison now than they have ever been in the past while being in Iraq.
(I know,the lines in the messhall is getting ridicilously long)
They will be put to good use in Afghanistan, and the latest tactics from the enemy will not do anything strategically at all.
Some innocent people will get killed or hurt, (as usually) thats all it will accomplish.
Were on track, we just have to deal with the all so common Iraqi, -"it will not happen right now" syndrome.
Man...those people in that country are so annoying.
Loud, screaming, waiving hands and in the face, but never DO .....culture I guess.
-- November 2, 2009 4:30 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
I am sure you guys and gals have already ready; but, I thought I would post it anyway that the Iraqi Election Law has passed. Elections will not occur on the 16th but before the 31st as the Iraqi Constitution requires. This is good news. There are several news outlets confirming the news.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 8, 2009 11:26 PM ∞
BritishKnite wrote:
Rob N,
I've just off the phone with Fedex UK, and they informed me that shipments to Iraq had been stopped for a few days, but have since been resumed. Maybe it may be different still in the US. If it's back on, I guess you can send your dinar.
BritishKnite.
-- November 9, 2009 12:17 PM ∞
seadesk from L.A. wrote:
Thanks, Rob.
I Fedexed my Embassy Certification documents to Warka last Saturday from Bainbridge Island and they said no problem regarding delivery at that time. I just want to buy stocks! I mean, what a pain. O'well, someone on here, maybe you, said "patience" which was darn good advice.
Maybe this week I'll get the go ahead from Warka.
Good news on the election law, no doubt, now on to the HCL i hope.
Hello to Roger.
Take care,
Earl
-- November 9, 2009 7:48 PM ∞
seadesk from L.A. wrote:
Rob N / BritishKnite,
The passing of election law is good.
Now lets look forward to the HCL.
I Fedexed my Embassy Certification documents to Warka last Saturday from Bainbridge Island and at that time they said no problem with regard to delivery.
I just want to buy stocks!...what a pain. Anyway like you said, Rod, "patience."
Hello to Roger.
Take care all,
Earl
-- November 9, 2009 7:56 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
BK,
Thanks for the update. I have confirmed that Fed Ex is delivering to Baghdad. I am having issues with Al-Warka accepting my documents for my account. I have to either use a scanner or purchase one. A little delay but no big deal.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 10, 2009 5:59 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Seadesk,
Passage of Hydro Carbon Legislation and lifting of sanctions are equally important.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 10, 2009 6:01 PM ∞
BritishKnite wrote:
Rob N,
I thought you were trying to send some physical dinars? Are you scanning the notes now?? Does that work? I'm just kidding. I need to get my physical notes across to Al Warka somehow. What have/are you done/doing about yours?
BritishKnite.
-- November 11, 2009 12:31 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
BK,
No, I need to scan my identification and contact information into a file and send it to Al-Warka. Concerning my physical notes right now there are three possibilities. I may send them via FedEx to Al-Warka, keep the notes I have and begin funding my account at Al-Warka, or sell the notes via ebay and wire the funds to Iraq. Not sure which route I will take yet.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 11, 2009 1:45 PM ∞
kilo wrote:
RV,,, has happened according to some on the ground in iraq $3.50 per dinar.....I hope this is true check your sources...........rv has happened...
-- November 16, 2009 10:09 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Kilo,
Not according to the Central Bank of Iraq; according to their site, the rate is still 1170/1. It appears your sources are incorrect.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 17, 2009 10:44 AM ∞
Valerio wrote:
Rob N,
Thanks for busting my bubble. It had me dreaming for a minute. Couldn't you have just let me sleep a little while longer? Dreaming is so much fun!-- November 17, 2009 6:02 PM ∞
kilo wrote:
Reported by clerk working on base:...Money exchanger on military base was told to stop exchanging dinar because of rate change within a week.........GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!Dinar!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- November 17, 2009 11:30 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Kilo,
Sorry, not likely; I guess you have been reading dinar speculator again. A can almost guarantee no revaluation within a week.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 18, 2009 2:37 PM ∞
KILO wrote:
SORRY ROBN UNLESS YOU GOT PROOF YOU ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY ON IF IT GOES DOWN OR NOT AND IF YOU HAVE PROOF THEN YOU NEED TO BRING IT TO THE TABLE ..COME TO WWW.DINARVETS.COM AND SPEAK YOUR MIND I AM SURE 200 PLUS PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR YOU SPEAK TIME TO GET OFF THE SIDE LINES BUDDY....
-- November 18, 2009 5:44 PM ∞
kilo wrote:
rv rv rv get ready rv rv rv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- November 18, 2009 9:37 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Kilo,
I will pass on visiting the site you suggested. I find it unappealing to discuss rumors with no proof. As sargent Friday used to say on Drag Net; "just the facts ma'am".
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 20, 2009 11:05 AM ∞
Dinar Boss wrote:
Iraq has added the Dinar to CMS Forex ........
-- November 20, 2009 1:21 PM ∞
pork rinds wrote:
testing testing 1,2,3,
-- November 22, 2009 5:12 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq, wrote:
Hi All,
Back in the sandbox again. There are some people here that are into the Iraqi Dinar, most of them have a couple of mils at home, and keep only a casual observance on the development.
I am in daily contact with both civilian workers, and military on a military base here in Iraq, and accordig to some earier blogs, this place is suppose to be a buzz of rumors regarding a Dinar RV.
Really??? well I am lucky to read those blogs, to keep up with what I am missing in this place. It's a fort, and the only way to get out of here is by helicopter, or armed escort.
We are living in a small isolated bubble here on base and news travel fast.
This is a rehearsal of an earlier rumor, where the military had an idea to have us(Both contractors, and military personell) buy with Dinars on the PX. ( The military general store)
The idea was pretty dumb in the first pace as this is an American business,and the Iraqi businesses taking place here, said that they will continue to accept the Dollar.
So the program didnt get any traction,and was canned.
The idea was to have us all exchange the greenbacks to Dinars, and as the silly program was cancelled, this have now migrated into a " They have stopped giving out Dinars on the bases because of an imminent RV"
Bull, you can go and get Dinars at any bank here,but on base there are little or no use for them.
Plus the origin of this rumor is now a couple of months old, and is only a regurgitation of food already eaten and dumped.
On the Forex....well..this is getting funnier and funnier.
Forex is short for Foreign Exchange.
You can HAVE an exchange of currencies between the Dollar and another currency, controlled currency or not, and that is in itself a foreign exchange, but that is not to be confused with the commonly known FX or the Forex market where free floating currencies are traded daily.
You can of course find the Iraqi Dinar on any foreign exchange chart, but that is only a chart, and it shows a straght line, no ups and down, beacuse it is not a traded currency.
It is a controlled currency.
Foreign Exchange market is not an institution, it is only description of international trade with currencies. There are no clearing house, there are no ground floor, and a bell at the end of the day.
Forex market is the playground between big banks, investors, institutions and speculators.It is not under any coutrys law, and the trade is completely unregulated.
You can not find the Forex at ny address on this earth, but is stateless, and borderless.
In order to get in on Forex and see what is happening, you basically have to pug in a feed from that trade that describes the ups and down, if you want to trade, you can go to a broker, but again what you get plugged into is an international houseless, non reguated internatonal trade of currencies, that is all.
You can trade the Iraqi Dinar as much as you want,but you will not make any profit, or have any lossrisk, as the graph over the Dinar is a straight line, controlled by CBI.
It's not that the Dinar has to be "admitted" to anything, any secret society or have some kind of entrance ticket with a long list of criteria in order to get on the Forex market.
If people are trading with it, start buying or selling it, then it IS automatically traded on the Forex, ( or FX)
The exact thing that decides that is the CBI.
At such a time when CBI decides that the currency will be free floatinig THEN it will be traded, and then it will be on the Forex.
So a quick look at Forex Dinar, shows a straight line, and a quick look at CBI exchange rate shows that the Dinar to Dollar ratio is exactly the same as it have been for a long long time.
So here is this Yahoo claiming with shout...-"Hey check it out,The Dinar is now on Forex"
Soo????
When you go to a Dinar Dealer, and buy some, you are in fact on the Foreign Exchange market.
All it is , is eactly what it says, it is an exchange with foreign currency.
....and sorry, the Dinar is stuck.
You dont trade a flat line.
Changes will come and is sure to come sooner or later, ( hopefully sooner) but not on the grounds these last bloggers are saying.
See ya all....
Roger
-- November 22, 2009 7:06 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Roger,
Welcome back.
Hope your break to the U.S.was good.
Really excellent post. Thank you.
Earl
-- November 22, 2009 9:06 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi Earl, and Hi all,
Thanks, yes it was very nice to be home, and see straight lines, clean streets, and an orderly society.
It really means so much to be in a society where stuff WORKS.
US for sure have it's faults, but the US and most of the Western civilization have an efficiency over it that you really are missing if you'r not there.
(who would think of bringing a roll of toilet paper with you if you are going to Baghdad Intl airport, you just expect any Intl airport to have toilet paper, if you are a Westerner,....we have a reality of efficiency, promptmness and things getting done in a timely manner.....not here)
Today I have only a short time to dabble on the pjuter, gotta go and chain down some Humvees for transport.
Keep the shining side up all of you, see ya.
Roger
-- November 23, 2009 11:33 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and I know this is a Dinar board but I am interested in varying traditions with the holiday; for example, I met a gentleman who has pork -n- bean salad at Thanksgiving. I have not heard of pork -n- bean salad. If you have something to share please do and thanks for not bashing me for opening this up to discussion outside the Dinar. If you do not wish to participate just skip it.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 29, 2009 9:18 AM ∞
Bob wrote:
Hi, the Iraqi Government is using You Tube to make official announcements, and has started using this method as the official source of news about Iraq. Dinarian, keep informed by looking up You Tube. thx....revaluation will be announced on You Tube, is my guess. thx
-- November 29, 2009 11:48 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Bob,
I do not believe a significant revaluation will be announced at all. Any public acknowledgements to a change in the Dinar will be done so only through the CBI website. Those invested in the ISX or have accounts at Al-Warka will receive information on a change in the exchange rate and a change would affect their bank accounts and trading accounts. For the Iraqi populous it will business as usual.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- November 30, 2009 4:02 PM ∞
Bob wrote:
Rob, that makes sense.
-- November 30, 2009 9:54 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Rob.
Take a nice big fillet of king salmon (whole half side) and remove the pin bones. Lay the fillet skin-side down on a cutting board.
Using a sharp knife, slice through the fillet crossways from side to side (perpendicular to its length) about every 3 inches or so - being careful not to cut through the skin.
Now take sections of king crab leg and place inside the cross cuts. If necessary, trim any leg portion protruding from the sides of the fillet to regain the fillets smooth edge. Alternatively you can use dungeness crab meat and "stuff" the cross cuts.
Season as you wish. I use smoked chipotle salt, pepper, and the usual light sprinkling of fresh chopped herbs.
Bake until nearly done (still slightly wet pink in the middle), then remove from oven (or barbecue) and add some fresh shaved parmesan on top. Broil in oven for a'couple minutes and serve.
Enjoy with a light cold wine of exceptional quality and dream that dinar was not a big mistake.
Earl
-- December 1, 2009 1:54 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Earl,
Stop it. You are making me hungry. If I am ever in Seattle may I impose and have dinner with you the night you are having this for dinner. I will bring the wine.
Sadly, the dinar remains a dream and I afraid it will be such for an unspecified period of time. Iraq continues to be plagued by sectarian strife; which bears out in the recent veto of the Election Law. Until these factions move from a ethnic loyality to a nationalist loyality the Dinar will continue to be undervalued.
Though the U.S. has spent trillions of dollars on this war and increased our national deficit I am not sure the Iraqi's want to play on the global stage. I think their divided alliegence to Iran and the U.S. has caused a stagnation in their movement toward a functioning international nation state.
March is being mentioned as the date for elections; this delay will have a domino effect on Hydro Carobon Legislation, Investment Law, and the lifting of UN Sanctions. These delays also mean a delay in advancing both monetary and fiscal policy. I am slowly realizing regarding the Dinar 2010 will be like 2005 to 2009.
Thanks,Rob N.
-- December 1, 2009 10:05 AM ∞
Tyler wrote:
So the Iraqi Dinar isnt going to be worth very much. Even if it does happen to go up to 3.25? Just curious i have 250,000 dinar and wouldnt mind having some extra cash.
Thanks,
Tyler
-- December 1, 2009 2:48 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Rob.
You would be most welcome at our home on Bainbridge Island for dinner. Consider yourself invited. Some goes for Roger. It would be fun and I'd look forward to it.
CDs and ISX. Cash, not so much.
My best.
Earl
-- December 2, 2009 12:26 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Roger.
Long time no speak. You good?
So, as you drive mile after mile, you're thinking. How about sharing those thoughts?
No rules my friend, just spit it out.
Rob N. may come for dinner. I hope he does. I'd like you to come too. I'll split the ticket if your interested.
Iraq, dinar, well, whatever.., lets eat and share some cheer.
Keep safe.
Earl
-- December 3, 2009 1:49 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Earl,
Thank you very much for the invitation; it is much appreciated. I have mulled an Al-Warka account for over 2 years (Roger knows this well). Frankly, I like the idea of having my cash in an Iraqi Bank; the sticking point for me is that Al-Warka is a private bank that could confiscate foregin deposits at its discretion with no legal recourse. I realize this is a risky investment no matter which mode of investment we choose.
I have decided to send my information to Al-Warka and at least get the USD/Dinar account opened. I will continue to do my due dilligence in the meantime. Count me in for dinner Earl. I would like to meet Roger too so maybe the three of us can have a little dinner and some good wine.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- December 3, 2009 10:29 AM ∞
seadesk wrote:
Rob,
The invite stands and I hope you do come to visit.
Roger must be off-grid, but I think he would agree that, while with some risk, as you have pointed out, at least with your money in Al-Warka you are earning comparatively good interest - even if you do not go the ISX or bank CD route. I think the basic IQD savings account earns about 7% annually. Annual CD is at 10% currently.
Another reasons that I went with Al-Warka is that they also broker for the ISX which, as you know, is a separate opportunity for voluntary risk with your USD if you are so inclined.
With on-line Al-Warka you can move your IQD holdings/stock funds around fairly easily from your laptop. And, theoretically, you can more quickly move funds out of Iraq (bank to bank). My experience, however, is limited to moving funds into Al-Warka, not out. I can tell you that it takes a day or so to make such a transfer once set up.
I'm sounding smarter than I am. I'd listen to Roger when he chimes in. I'm a lot more confident with dinner than dinar.
My best.
Earl
-- December 3, 2009 8:07 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Roger?
-- December 4, 2009 12:53 AM ∞
Steve wrote:
Warka Bank from Jan 09 but a good read about the bank
http://www.cpifinancial.net/v2/magazine.aspx?v=1&aid=1842&cat=bme&in=103
-- December 4, 2009 7:50 PM ∞
BritishKnite wrote:
Steve,
Thanks for the link to that article. That's a great find! Very informative. Do you know if they have followed through this year with the branch openings in the countries listed in the article?
Rob N,
I don't quite understand your concerns about the bank being privately owned. Is it not just privately majority owned since some of its stock is available on the ISX? Could you not argue that that is similar to how most western banks operate? That is, they are not government owned unless they're in trouble, but governed by legal legislation.
BritishKnite.
-- December 6, 2009 7:00 AM ∞
Steve wrote:
A great find, I was going through all the old info I have on this PC and fell over that one
The guy who owns Warka Bank is Al-Bunnia he and his fameily are very wealthy and have been for many years, a famiely of old money, he has many companies, here is his site
-- December 6, 2009 1:52 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi All,
Sorry, sometimes there can be long periods where I will be disconnectd with the world, we live in our own reality bubble here and it's a treat to connect back.
I promise to be back at a later time, with a more involved message ( massage...whatever)
In the meanwhie I am happy to report that the ISX portfolio is doing good, have got some free capital shares from companies I have invested into.
More on the Dinar, ISX, Life, and the Universe Later.
Dinner in Seattle, ....I'm in.
Roger
-- December 7, 2009 9:34 AM ∞
Paco wrote:
Anyone go to the dinarvets web site. Holy crap. It is a new "rumor" everyday. Its sad to me that so many people believe that kind of stuff, they are auctally trying to decipher crap that people are saying. The three or four people "medic" know this and feed off of it. Last week it was. "RV conifirmed at 2.47" a call from a call from a call from a bank guy. Headache!!!
Sorry just venting.-- December 8, 2009 10:45 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi Paco and all,
Well, it shows that the push for Dinar sales are up and running in high gear.
The phenomenon is a side effect,dealers push sales, that in itself only will enhance dealers profit.
Profit in itself is not a sin, but the RV rumors, are infecting the Dinar investment picture, because the push for selling more Iraqi currency, will do nothing for fellows that are already invested and set.
Rumors in itself have a flair to them, and in itself I don't mind them, ...we have had many many as time goes by, and they are more a source of amusement , as the basis for the rumor are most often posed as something hillarious.
-"We will not have any Social Seciurity payments next month, because Obama have to pay for transport of the troops over to Afghanistan".
-"The Chinese have a secret army waiting to invade the US, it's sitting in secrecy just outside our border in the Mexican desert"
-"The CO2 the US is releasing, will chooke everyone in the year 2012"
The rumors in the Dinar game is pretty much on that level.
What I am against , in the rumor mill, is that some may actually give credit to information like this, and perhaps risk, savings, that a person can ill afford.
The main actors on the financial market is business and banks, and also as a heavy actor is the different countries Central Banks.
Central banks have the ability to hold a currency fixed, like in most Arab states, including Iraq.
If a Central bank will let their currency into the Forex, that is, just letting lose it's currency, and let the market determine the exchange price, the market can be more dominant in determining the exchange price.
The only tool the Central Banks have then, is basically to adjust the countrys base interest rate.
New Zeeland had for some years back an instance, where their Central Bank tried to manipuate the exchange rate, and failed.
Mostly the Central Banks can control their exchange rate once on the Forex, but not necessarily.
Question is, will Iraq ever let their currency lose on the Forex????that is questionable, but for Iraq not necessarily a bad thing.
Countries that have a high interest rate, is most commonly bought into on the Forex, that is considered being strong currencies, because, many big hedge funds goes where the interest is high.
Basically a currency is bought from a country in, where the interesst rate is very low, and that money is then deposited in a country where the interest is high.
Pretty simple.
Iraq with a very high interest rate, would be bought into quite a bit, and....here comes the nice part, in order to buy into a high yelding countrys currency, you...of course....need to buy that countrys currency.
In general, arabian oil producing countries are tied to the Dollar in a controlled currency, in one form or the other, Kuwait, ( now have a basket currency system, but the Dollar is in there) , Saui Arabia, Emirtes, Dubai, and so on.
Change are coming, how where and when????I don't know, but the Arbian countries, are too dependent on Dollar, and with their currency fixed to the Dollar, will follow the long and solid slide down with the decreasig dollar value.
It's the Arab countries curse that their biggest export, oil is bought and sold in Dollars.
They just can't continue to slide, unless they will be willing to live with very high inflation.
Their own money, tied with the Dollar, will continue to lose buying power in parity with the Dollar as it is going down.
So this is directly applicable to the Iraqi scene, as they are pegged directly to the Dollar.
All in all, it is ony the Central Bank of Iraq, that can say yeah or nay.
The Central Bank is a political independent entity, (as all Central Banks are suppose to be) but in reality, regional politics are often expressed in a Central Banks behaviour.
While the free flowing money in the world, are driven in big part by specultive motivations, by some reason or the other, Central Banks in general, is looking at speculation as a negative, and you often see expressions like :
-"In order to avoid speculation we have decided to do following measures...."Sometimes in the future (hopefully sooner than later) there will be change in Iraqis, monetary policy, but you can rest assured that , as this is in the hands of CBI, that it will be a very secret affair, and it will be known only after the fact.
Medics on a military base is so removed from this scene that it is almost hillarious funny. Great source of information.
Any possibility that a rumor can have credit to it, would be if anyone at CBI would say something that he/she shoudn't say.
Exact time/date, and exchange rate.....good luck.
Any information in advance of a Central Banks move is considered seculative, ( and therefore negative) , so in case piece of real information would actually slip through and be known, the Cantral Bank would immediately withdraw, and make a new plan.
Whatever will happen, in Iraq, and the Dinar, the entity to watch is the CBI, no one else.
The only thing we can get is hints, from talking politicians, but they have als been proven wrong again and again.
The only pressure CBI have is from it's own countrys Government, and their signed international agreements.
See ya,
Roger
-- December 9, 2009 11:10 AM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
seculative =speculative
Cantral=Central
als=alsoYou may find some more, but hey, you've got to work too.
-- December 9, 2009 11:17 AM ∞
seadesk from Anchorage wrote:
Roger,
Welcome back. Nice piece above, another jewel.
My perception is that regional culture, going back to Mesopotamia, has tolerated/experienced corruption among its ranks from high to low...and that corruption has permeated especially governmental affairs.
Functional separation between the CBI and Iraqi politics seems, well, vulnerable. I say this considering that the CBI, left to the pressures of culture, may fail independence and, in fact, undermine itself (its sovereignty) in doing so.
In other words, and not in conflict with yours, practically no governmental ethics behavior would surprise me coming out of Iraq. And certainly I do not mean that as an insult to Iraq because it is, of course, more complicated than that.
I think I hope that the "postwar" CBI is as much international as it is national for the time being, albeit there are obviously evils in that scenario too.
That said, it is why the ISX is more directly appealing to me with regard to investment than dinar RV speculation.
Yep, way over my head.
Earl
-- December 9, 2009 3:06 PM ∞
BOBBY FLOYD wrote:
Hello Everyone:
Not many dinar posts of late so lets talk about another pressing matter. Have we passed the point of no return? I believe the United States as a nation is following a course that will lead to a collapse of the economy and will destroy the will of the people to continue as a free country.
I have been in this world for 74 years and I have seen enormous changes. I remember when most everyone was poor by todays standards but were proud and would sooner die than accept welfare or have their honor tarnished. Medical care was primitive but a Doctor would come to your house whether you had money or not and there was a Mercy Hospital in every larger town for poor people. Most people had dentures or decayed teeth (before flouride) and necesssities were about all that anyone had who was doing well. People then were poor but proud and were extremely patriotic and willing to lay down their live for things that they believed in. Life expectancy in the forties was 47 years for a male.
Khrushchev (Russia) stated in 19061 that he would destroy the USA in forty years without firing a shot.I thought at the time that was the most insame comment I had ever heard as the American people were to strong willed to let anything bad happen to our Country from within.
I have seen a slow deterioration of our morals and our will and stamina as a people. We have now reached the point where I am afraid of our Government. I do not believe that the Government has the best interest of the American people at heart. I believe that they have a hidden agenda to redistribute the wealth and to make the Govt so powerful that it can become a dictatorship. slowly but surely the plan is being staged such as the take-over of banks and industries, the czars being placed in strategic positions, the plan to create an internal army, the brow beating of people who disagree with administration, the bribes and coerison of Senators and Representatives to pass legislation and the insane run-away spending. The time to spring the take-over plan is when the economy collapses and everyone has their hand out and are willing to compromis what few principles that they have left.
You are probably thinking at this point that we will just vote the culprits out of office. Well, I believe that they are working on that too. Democrats have the undying support of the ultraliberal left, the black community and everyone else who is looking for a hand-out. kAs evidenced by the last election, there are organizations who are intimidating voters who would vote agains them and bringing everyone to the polling place that they can find to vote for them. There is a plan to legalize the illegal aliens and get their vote so when that happens the democrats will need only the vote of a few hard-working uninformed Americans. I remember when there was a poll-tax and an interview required in order to register to vote. Everyone today thinks that is ridiculous but while I try to stay informed, my vote will be cancelled out by some former illegal who can't speak English and his vot is for sale.
I will continue this line of thought soon. I know we have a few on this Blog who only want to talk about the Dinar but I am not seeing much talk so hopefully I am not offending anyone with this non-dinar post.
-- December 19, 2009 8:33 PM ∞
RON wrote:
Hi Bobby Floyd
Thank you for the few words that have hit home for me anyway,I to am woried about our uncontrolable goverment.
JESUS CHRIST is realy our only true hope.
GOD BLESS ALL.-- December 21, 2009 3:28 PM ∞
Fitzco wrote:
Thank you for providing a site that is level headed and honest. I have been to all of the "other sites" and find them both amusing and disgusting. Sadly, many in my wife's office are entrenched in these pump sites and it really angers me to see them get so excited because one of the "informants" has just announced a "done deal" only to find out that the date passes with no change at all.
I have sent a link to this site for them to use for future reference.
BTW, I think I will have baked King Salmon with some nice Jumbo Gulf Shrimp for dinner tonight! (I am too far from Seattle!)
-- December 21, 2009 5:09 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Bobby Floyd;
I have been taking a year's sabbatical from the Dinar and posting in general. The year is just about up and I have also thought long and hard on what is happening, both with the Dinar and also with the situation in the US and where the US is heading. Concerning the US which you posted upon, I see the concerns you speak of and have taken it to the Lord in prayer and sought His wisdom and understanding of the situation.. not a political level solution, but higher.. as to what GOD is doing through this situation and what His will is to be. For it is THAT will which will prevail and which we and future generations will live in, not the will of politicians, as Copenhagan has recently proven, when nothing concrete was able to be accomplished for God would not will it to be. It is as the Scripture says, that those who look only on the political level for solutions and not any higher are unable to see what will happen and the future looks dim to them because they are unable to see. It is like this situation in the Scripture was toward Pharoah, so it is toward the politicians of this day:
Isa 19:11 Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how is it that you say to Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?
Isa 19:12 Where are they? where are your wise men? and let them tell you now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts has purposed upon Egypt.
Isa 19:13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
Isa 19:14 The LORD hash mingled a perverse spirit in the midst of it: and they have caused Egypt to err in every one of its works, as a drunken man staggers in his vomit.So it is now.. the "wise men" politicians of today are not able to see where the country will go or what God has purposed for the US. There is a "perverse spirit" mixed within the politics of this day which causes error in "every one of its works" so that it is shaking the US and good people are truly concerned and worried. The politicians truly have their politics, but they do not see what WILL be by the decree of God. It is THAT will, that immutable will, which I have been seeking to know and not just the political intents of the parties involved.
You, Bobby, have been seeing the socialists, the Communists, the radical leftists, and their agenda which is manifesting and you worry, quote, "the United States as a nation is following a course that will lead to a collapse of the economy and will destroy the will of the people to continue as a free country".. this is true. IF the only level were the mind and will of the people of the United States and her politicians, I, too might be of a truly disturbed countenance, for her enemies are rising up and she seems almost ready to slip. But I look HIGHER and see an eternal purpose beyond this one. I have been seeking to know how God views the situation, as He always has it well in hand, even when things seem most dire.. and His purposes are eternal.
You said, "Khrushchev (Russia) stated in 19061 that he would destroy the USA in forty years without firing a shot..." and that you thought, "the American people were to strong willed to let anything bad happen to our Country from within." The problem is, we cannot look only at the level of people, but must see higher to understand why we are in such dire times. You correctly diagnosed the problem, "I have seen a slow deterioration of our morals and our will and stamina as a people." But you must understand the solution is a correction of that cause alone. It will not come from voting out the current set of politicians and putting in some others, though that would, of course, be a good thing if good men and women can be found to take their places. Look carefully about you.. do you see those who would be elected who would work to reverse that "deterioration of morals and will and stamina?" Would an election cause that to be corrected? That is the crux of the matter before God. America has become weak because it has become corrupt. For instances.. Would the new set of people voted in truly turn around the country and make it a godly nation again? Would they outlaw the killing of the unborn? Would infanticide be prohibited? Would Obama's executive order which began partial birth abortions be overturned? Would stem cell research be outlawed? Would the exalting of a manmade view of what marriage should be (same sex marriage) be seen to be against the Holy and Sacred institution God ordained and not be allowed by those voted in? Would laws be made in line with the vows Congress takes before God to uphold the Constitution of America and not according to their own whims and desires and special interest groups? etc, etc, etc.. Or would those voted in "compromise" as the Republican party has done and give America more of the same? Would the new set of politicians be only more of the leftist politics "lite"?
The key is the will of the American people.. will the American people stand up for the truth without compromising? Are the MORALS of the American people truly right.. or are they going to give way and allow more and more corruption and murder.. from young to old (death panels)? Will they stand for the Constitution that has made the nation great, or will they vote for those who betray it daily in their voting records as those who just voted in this unconstitutional Obamacare have just done? The innate moving of moral values into this corrupt and ungodly (compromised) system is systemic and its roots are deep. Mere political cosmetic changes will not heal the nation of such evil, I believe. I do not believe that America has the backbone right now to make the hard decisions. She is too "compassionate" and compromising with the leftist wrong thinking. Therefore, God has a stronger medicine for America yet to drink. A medicine which, like the strong medicines of old, tastes very bitter, but which will do very much to cleanse and heal her. God has shown America what she is and is not by allowing Obama to be in power. She is understanding more about what America has been and is.. learning where her freedom lies. There is more yet to happen as God is not finished with America.. she is still filled with filthy rags and will not tolerate the truth in the public square as she must to remain blessed and prosperous. It is GOD who gave America her wealth and position.. it is God who can take it away if she will not heed Him. It is the view I have been given to look to what God is trying to accomplish and must do to return America to her roots and greatness. You have seen in your lifetime what GOOD and godly people were in America. You see her now. You know it is no longer the same. To retain blessing and freedom, she must return to her old roots.. away from the "progressive" (progressively degenerate) agenda of the left. The medicine may be very hard to take.. but God will bring her to it, if she is to remain at all before God as a nation. God chastises His own, not the other guy's kids down the street. America is in for a very, very deep lesson which will be written in her history books for all time.
Remember, after the time of ancient Rome with its corruptions.. there came the Pilgrims with their desire for purity. If we live now in Rome.. we can still believe that God is able within the course of human events and history to turn the hearts of people to Himself and bring about a kind of heart-reformation which can change the inward feelings and thoughts of men from their own aims to those more honorable before God Himself. Only then will you see people as you witnessed in your youth.. good, and GODLY.. a nation worthy of God's blessings and worthy of keeping her freedom. To say more may give it all away.. so I will not speak unless He says to. Sometimes God wishes to work quietly and slowly.. revealing things one step at a time. When I spoke on this forum before and warned what Obama would mean to the US.. it was ridiculed. I was in the minority as he came to power about a year ago amidst euphoria and shouts of "messiah" who would bring peace to the world. That has now changed and America has caught up. I believe I stand now with an understanding of the future which no politician now holds, but which will become manifest on earth for all to know. I may be ahead of my time, but I can wait for America to catch up and understand the times she is living in and what her calling truly is. May God protect her through this very sad, dark and troubled time (for there is more to come).. until the dawn that I assure you He intends.
Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you the expected end.
I am glad that all God's stories always have "expected" endings.. good ones, and not bad. Though, like all good stories, the middle can look rather dark and troubled at times.. until the change toward true goodness and godliness is effected... only then will there be a truly good ending.
Sara.
-- December 22, 2009 1:52 AM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Roger, Rob, everyone,
I've been encouraging my mind to wander away from Iraq for a little while; ISX has been slow and trading is almost done for 2009 anyway.
I hope everyone has the very, very best Christmas holiday and may peace be with you.
I think we all have so much to be thankful for and to me, way above all else, is our friends and families.
I encourage you to share smiling whenever possible.
Earl
-- December 22, 2009 2:11 AM ∞
wrote:
Sara,
Good that your back. I was hoping that you just took some time off and nothing else. I have missed you and sure I speak for many. Yes like a lot of us we are watching this great nation deterate from what it used to be. I am approaching my mid 50’s and am glad that I grew up in a time that faith,family, morals and a strong government were what our great country was about. I did not realize it at the time but like anything else you do not miss it until it’s gone. I struggle now with raising my family in this difficult time and try to keep these principals alive but our children will never fully understand the way it used to be. We must all stay strong and fight for what’s right so this light will not be smothered out in this dark era that is upon us……always darkest before dawn they say....again glad that your back.
Franko
-- December 22, 2009 7:59 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Thanks, Franko.. and Earl, for your well wishes and response. It is darkest before the dawn.. yet even now I am pleased to see so many GOOD changes in perspective among the American people since I last posted. Here is one concerning Iraq I thought worthy of sharing and encouraging the board with - for where there is victory, success and liberty for the people, God's blessings and prosperity cannot be far behind:
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Despite Democrat’s Best Efforts… 57% of Americans See Iraq As a Success
Friday, December 18, 2009, 10:52 PM
Jim HoftBUSH WAS RIGHT
Barack Obama was wrong.
Nancy Pelosi was wrong.
Harry Reid was wrong.After years of undermining the troops in Iraq the US succeeded anyway.
Today 57% of Americans see Iraq as a success.
MSNBC reported:Here’s a final set of numbers from our new NBC/WSJ poll that we find fascinating: 57% say the Iraq war has been successful, versus 40% who say it has been unsuccessful.
It’s a reversal from July 2008, when 43% said Iraq was successful, and 53% said it was unsuccessful.
Comments:
1) December 18th, 2009 | 11:01 pm
The American people are moving away from the Lame Stream Media, Leftist propaganda and Team Obama propaganda and finding actual truth through alternative news sources. Of course it was the Lame Stream Media’s relentless attacks that sabatoged GW Bush and paved the way for The Messiah.
2) December 18th, 2009 | 11:04 pm
It is a success because of the sacrifices of our brave troops.
WELCOME HOME!
3) December 18th, 2009 | 11:18 pm
Barack Obama was just not wrong on Iraq.
He was the General Custer of wrong. If he got his way, Iraq would be smoldering in a civil war all just because it benefited Democrats. The Middle East is on it’s own.
Obama has shown our allies around the world that America is closed for renovation and that the 3 AM call will just go to voicemail.
4) December 19th, 2009 | 9:23 am
This cements Bushs legacy as one of the greatest presidents in US history. Amazing how the country could go from a man like that to (someone) like Ogabe in a single election.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/despite-democrats-best-efforts-57-of-americans-believe-iraq-was-a-success/
-- December 22, 2009 11:11 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
And this is a worthy postnote concerning the victory in Iraq:
===
Saddam's Nukes
Posted 07/08/2008 08:52 PM ETWMD: Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn't fit the media's neat story line that Saddam Hussein's Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003.
It's a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad.
In recent weeks, the U.S. secretly has helped the Iraqi government ship it all to Canada, where it was bought by a Canadian company for further processing into nuclear fuel — thus keeping it from potential use by terrorists or unsavory regimes in the region.
This has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media. Yet, as the AP reported, this marks a "significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy."
Seems to us this should be big news.
After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush "lied" about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S.
This more or less proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon.
This is clear, since Saddam acquired most of his uranium before 1991, but still had it in 2003, when invading U.S. troops found the stuff.
(The International Atomic Energy Agency seems to have known about the yellowcake in the 1990s, but did nothing to force Saddam to get rid of it. It's duplicating its error today with Iran and North Korea).
That means Saddam held onto it for more than a decade. Why? He hoped to wait out U.N. sanctions on Iraq and start his WMD program anew.
This would seem to vindicate Bush's decision to invade.
The American Thinker Web site reported four years ago on the scary math behind Saddam's uranium hoard: 500 tons of yellowcake, once refined, could make 142 nuclear weapons.
But yellowcake wasn't all they found at Tuwaitha. According to the AP, the military also discovered "four devices for controlled radiation exposure ... that could potentially be used in a weapon."
By the way, this should put to rest the canard peddled by the American left and by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson that "Bush lied" about Iraq seeking yellowcake from the African country of Niger.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=462856&Ntt=yellowcake+found+in+iraq
===
142 NUKES.. !!!
How soon could they be deployed?
WHERE WERE THEY GOING TO BE USED? Against WHOM?
Again, it bears repeating this quote.
QUOTE:As The New York Times confirmed in their issue November 3, 2006, Saddam had complete plans for a nuclear weapon and was in the process of procuring parts when the US removed him. Quote: "nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away." [62]
Additionally, tapes with Saddam speaking on them also surfaced and certain sinister remarks Saddam made on the tapes were translated which showed that he threatened to use WMD on Washington, DC. In the article , "Saddam Translator: ABC Reinterpreted Tapes" dated Feb. 17th 2006, the FBI translator who supplied the 12 hours of Saddam Hussein audiotapes excerpted by ABC's "Nightline" says the network discarded his translations and went with a less threatening version of the Iraqi dictator's comments. In the "Nightline" version of the 1996 recording, Saddam predicts that Washington, D.C., would be hit by terrorists. But he adds that Iraq would have nothing to do with the attack. Tierney says, however, that what Saddam actually said was much more sinister. "He was discussing his intent to use chemical weapons against the United States and use proxies so it could not be traced back to Iraq," he told Hannity. In a passage not used by "Nightline," Tierney says Saddam declares: "Terrorism is coming. ... In the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction. What if we consider this technique, with smuggling?" [63]
http://www.conservapedia.com/Operation_Iraqi_Freedom#Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction
I put it to you.. if Saddam openly said he would immediately use the chemical weapons he possessed at the time against the US.. if in a year he had fully developed nuclear weapons, would he have hesitated to use them against Washington, DC or other locations in the US?
These are thoughts for counting our blessings during this season of thankfulness for all we have been blessed with, and our hearts are filled with thanksgiving and appreciation to those who sacrificed so much (some gave all) to keep us all safe from such madmen.
Sara.
-- December 22, 2009 11:40 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
Good to see you posting. I hope you have a very merry Christmas.
Earl,Thanks for your comments.
All,
I have decided to divest myself of my dinar holdings and move on. I will check in from time-to-time to see how things are progressing. I hope each of you have a great Christmas season.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- December 22, 2009 2:22 PM ∞
Fitzco wrote:
What is your opinion of Iraq doing an "in country only" RV, then discarding all other exchanges after the designated time period?
-- December 22, 2009 4:22 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Fitzco,
I am assuming that this question is addressed to me. I have come to believe that a revaluation of the New Iraqi Dinar is highly unlikely. I now believe it to be nothing but war script. In 2010 I think you will see a nationalist movement arise inside the country; parliamentary elections will serve as its catalyst. Once nationalism engulfs Iraq the oil contracts signed by the ministry will be scrutinized and I anticipate parliament will want changes made to these contracts or to future contracts. If this occurs the oil majors and the GoI are back at square one. Do not expect passage of Hydro Carbon legislation in 2010.
In a nationalist environment I think the Bremer Dinar and the Bremer Constitution are also subject to scrutinization by parliament. I believe the currency and Constitution will also be changed. As I said, the current Dinar in use by the Iraqis is war script. The change in currency could be the the introduction of smaller denominations or Iraq may wait and join the GCC. My point, the GoI and the people of Iraq will wipe out as much American influence as possible from their culture.
One other point about the Dinar; Iraq currently has 32 trillion notes in circulation. An exhorbitant amount that far exceeds their GDP. Next, the currency itself is not backed by anything. Iraq is learning from their western counterparts to print and monetize debt. In my view, if the New Iraqi Dinar were a legitimate currency it would be backed by either gold or oil (petro-dinar). Their failure to pass the HCL is a signal that this New Iraqi Dinar is a transitory currency; nothing more than war script. When I first invested in the Dinar my stance was very bullish and four years later it is now very bearish boarding on pessimism. The latest CNBC hype about the Dinar is to create excitement and anticipation in the currency. Their motiviation for doing so is not known to me. I do not mean to be negative but I think that holding the currency at this point is probably not the best position to be in.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- December 22, 2009 4:54 PM ∞
Fitzco wrote:
Thank you for your response.
I too feel as though this is one of those "too good to be true" investments. I believe that Iraq will do something different with their money and avoid all of the billions of NEW DINARS and save themselves a lot of money as well. When you look at Saudi, Qutar, Baharain and the others around that area, Iraq still has a long, long way to go before ever matching the economy and trade that these areas have. Most of these places also have an exchange rate that = .26 US. Surely Iraq would not be able to support and fund an exchange rate of $1+ as stated in many of these rumor mills.
Thanks again for a realistic site to discuss the dinar.
Thanks,
Fitzco
-- December 22, 2009 6:04 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Rob,
Okay, so, I have to ask.
Why not at least keep your IQD in Warka earning interest?
At 7 to 10% (cd) annual return from the bank, why not - rather than divesture - develop instead a preparatory real-event exit strategy for your money and collect the interest in the meantime?
I know you to be considerate and that you think deeper than the sea, and so I'd like to hear more from you...maybe even that which you have chosen not to say so far.
If you've already said as much as you're comfortable with regarding your IQD decision then, well, I'd like to know what you're thinking about next - when you're ready.
Earl
seadesk@mac.com
-- December 22, 2009 7:30 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
What a difference a year makes...
Quote:
Change… Obama Now More Loathed Than Bush at End of His Second Term
Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 6:59 PM
Jim HoftA Good Solid B+
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrl5GJ
(picture shows -21 Rasmussen Presidential Approval Index)Barack Obama’s approval index number dropped to a new low today.
Rasmussen reported:
Quote:The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-six percent (46%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21 That’s the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President (see trends).
===end quote==
At the end of his second term President George W. Bush had a 43% disapproval rating.
In less than one year Barack Obama managed to pi$$ off more people than George W. Bush.
Nice work, Barack.We know. It must be Bush’s fault.
Hat Tip Doug EdelmanComments:
1) He’s thrown all caution to the wind; ticking off the far left by sending more troops to Afghanistan, rather than bring them all home. The withdrawal from Iraq is running, more or less, on George W. Bush’s timetable, much to the chagrin of the far left. And the Black Caucus is – almost unbelievably – scolding him for not doing more specifically for Blacks. They somehow think a black president should do more for “his own” folks, at the expense of all others. Even Obama knows that’s not realistic. (So much for the woman in Florida who said on election night, “Obama is going to pay my mortgage!”).
He’ll continue to get high approval numbers from Illinois; especially Chicago – along with the movie star crowd in Californicate.
When the cost and inefficiency of his so-called health care legislation is realized, even that support will dwindle.
Assuming he succeeds in giving amnesty to about 12 million illegal aliens, he’ll pick up a few points there.
When all is said and done, he’ll be VERY fortunate to pull in any approval number above 25, which puts him on just about the exact same level as the Democratic controlled Congress.
His Hope and Change stardom rocketed upward a year ago and it’s coming back down at almost the same rate of speed. 2010 will certainly be a year to remember for Democrats.
2) A huge difference between Rasmussen and the other polls is that Rasmussen is virtually the only pollster that includes only likely voters (the LV next to their number on RCP), rather than all adults (most of the rest) or registered voters.
Rasmussen claims to be the closest poll to the actual results in the last couple of national elections due to this.
So, it appears that the best group for the polling is LVs, and that’s the “outlier”. Outlier, maybe, but more reliable. These are the ones who will vote, and their ratios matter.
3) The problem with “thinking strategically” is that it really helps to win a few battles along the way. What Obambi’s done so far doesn’t count as a “win”: Copenhagen was a disaster, the health care reform bill somehow morphed into the Insurance Industry Protection Act, and last time I checked we were still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There’s no sense of useful involvement or engagement on his part in any issue he’s come out for: Obama makes a speech, Reid and Pelosi follow along behind with a shovel and broom. All he seems to do is read the words scrolling across the teleprompter screen and then go play a few rounds of golf. And they aren’t even his words: He has a speech writing staff. Off-teleprompter he’s a worse speaker than GW Bush was ever smeared as.
Bill Clinton was going down this same path after 1993 and was only saved by that nutjob blowing up the Federal Building in OK City. Unless something similar happens and Obama can seize the moment like Bubba did he’ll be a lame duck after the 2010 elections.
4) So, we can start using the phrase “The failed policies of the 0bama administration…”?
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/change-obama-now-more-hated-than-bush-at-end-of-his-second-term/
-- December 23, 2009 3:11 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Earl,
I suppose I have had a paradigm shift concerning Iraq and its Dinar. With 32 trillion notes in circulation I now equate the currency with war script issued to troops during the Korean War. The economic fundamentals do not support revaluation or reversion to a previous rate; there is to much currency in circulation.
Next, the currency is pegged to the USD and not backed by any tangible assets like gold or oil. Iraq has little to no gold reserves and without the Hydro Carbon Law a petro dinar cannot be created. Have you ever asked yourself why the oil law is stuck in Parliament since 2007. Iraq never plans to revalue the Dinar; instead it will either create a new currency or wait until it joins the GCC. In either case it is to be a long wait.
Al-Warka remains a possibility and I may in the future choose to open an account and fund it strictly through wire transfers. In this down market where can I put my money and make 7% to 10%? ISX with a limited number of companies and too many shares issued by said companies it has been over-hyped. Iraq is not a free market economy and consumer spending does not drive the market as it does here in the U.S.
Earl, am I still invited to dinner? There are other investments I wish to pursue. The three years dedicated to the Dinar has not been a waste; instead I have learned a lot. I hope you and your family have a great Christmas. Talk to you later.
Regards,
Rob N.
-- December 23, 2009 4:34 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
Sorry to hear about your reversal of heart on the Dinar.
Certainly, there is speculation both ways - for and against it.
There always has been.
IMO, it comes down to what God is doing in the country.I hear the doom and gloom about Iran taking over the country.
I hear the Iraqis are ungrateful louts and stingy toward their people.
But I also hear about (as you posted) a great fervor of patriotism in Iraqis.
And how they will choose their own leaders based on what is good for the country.
Which view do you listen to?You also spoke of fiat money in the US and in Iraq.
Yet, we all know the Iraqi currency can be stronger than it currently is.
It is only a question of will and moving that way.
For now, the Iraqis have communicated their desire to remain under the Chapter 7 provisions.
This seems due to uncertainties about how the economies of the world and US are fairing during this time.
Bold moves when they are only emerging from under a tinpot dictatorship are unadvisable, they believe.But I still think the longer term view for Iraq is good.
So I am not bearish on the Dinar and will wait and see how it plays out.
All my best to you, do check back from time to time - you are welcome.Sara.
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UNSC extends arrangements for deposit of Iraqi oil revenues until Dec. 2010
Politics 12/21/2009
UNITED NATIONS, Dec 21 (KUNA) -- Noting Iraq's progress in the security, political and economic fields, while recognizing that the country still needed regional and international support in order to advance further, the Security Council on Monday decided to extend until 31 December 2010 arrangements for depositing the revenues from its oil and gas sales into the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI).Acting unanimously under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, the council also extended the task of the International Advisory and Monitoring Board (IAMB) in overseeing the Fund for the same period.
The Council also decided that those decisions would be reviewed upon request by the Government of Iraq or no later than 15 June 2010.
The council requested the Secretary-General to provide written reports to the council on a quarterly basis, with the first report no later than April 1st, on the progress made in strengthening financial and administrative oversight of the current DFI, as well as the legal issues and options to be considered to implement successor arrangements and an assessment of Iraq's progress in preparing for the successor arrangements for the Fund.The council also called on the Iraqi Government to put in place the necessary action plan and timeline by April 2010 and to ensure the timely and effective transition to a post-Development Fund mechanism by next December, which takes into account IMF stand-by arrangement requirements and includes external auditing arrangements and enables Iraq to meet its obligations.
It further requested Iraq through the head of the Committee of Financial Experts (COFE) to report to the council on a quarterly basis, with the first report no later that next April to provide an action plan and timeline for the transition from the DFI and details on the progress made in strengthening financial and administrative oversight of the Fund, with subsequent quarterly reports to provide an assessment of progress against the action plan and oversight improvements.
Annexed to the resolution was a letter by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki addressed to the council president last week, in which he urged the members to extend the arrangements for both the DFI and IAMB until the end of next December.
In his letter Al-Maliki vowed that the government will in 2010 make "appropriate arrangement" for the Fund and the Board with a view to "ensuring that oil revenue continues to be used fairly and in the interest of the Iraqi people," in conformity with the Constitution and with the international "best practices with respect to transparency, accountability and integrity".
That, he argued, "cannot be achieved without the continued assistance of the international community by means of the adoption of a Security Council resolution whereby the arrangements are extended under Chapter VII." Iraq wants to keep the DFI under Chapter VII in order to protect it from any claimants.
(end) sj.bs KUNA 212044 Dec 09NNNN
http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2048966&Language=en-- December 23, 2009 4:47 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Rob,
I hear yah.
You bet you're invited to dinner.
Just say when I I'll have you picked up from Seatac Airport. A 30 minute ferry ride from downtown Seattle to Bainbridge Island and you're here.
Plan on the weekend so we can spend a little time together drinking wine and smoking fish or something like that.
We have an extra guest room with your name on it.
Earl
-- December 23, 2009 6:43 PM ∞
NEIL wrote:
Sara:
I am delighted to see you back posting. I consider your knowledge and wisdom to be exceptional.
Rob N:
Sorry to hear that you are giving up on the dinar. We will miss the valuable information that you supplies to this Blog.
Before you go, please give us a little insight into what the future holds for those of us who choose to stay-the-course. Do you think the dinar will slowly increase in value and that we will be able to cash in at some future time with a little profit or do you envision Iraq nationalizing the dinar and issuing a replacement currency and leaving us high and dry. I know you can only speculate but I value your opinion.
NEIL
-- December 23, 2009 11:08 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob, you mantioned to Earl that the Dinar has far too many bills in circulation, 32 trillion. You also stated that you believe that the economic fundamentals do not support revaluation or reversion to a previous rate because of this. I have also heard (before) speculation that the Dinar will RV at somewhere around the three dollar mark and I believe that is the figure you (and many others) are citing there as "the previous rate." So, even if there is ten times the amount of bills in circulation than should be, perhaps that drops the value to one tenth of that value, or somewhere around thirty cents. Not the "gravy" of the three dollar crowd, but also not a terrible value for Iraq or speculators. Also, if Iraq has intrinsic value due to the oil it holds, and it does join the GCC, it will bring in a solid value which may help raise the overall strength of that currency so that the Dinar will be exchanged at a decent value going via that scenerio as well.
You mention that the Dinar currency is pegged to the USD and not backed by any tangible assets like gold or oil. Well, the entire world has taken strong drinks from this fiat fountain and that is the status quo. The USD is not backed by tangible assets like gold, either. It is not on a gold standard. But the current fiscal crisis looming over the US is one which even concerns those backing the currency, the Chinese. If the Dinar is pegged to the USD and the USD is devalued.. where does that leave Iraq? This must concern Iraq and hence, that is part of why they chose to remain under Chapter 7 provisions, as I stated before. It is a cautious plan, seeking to protect the Iraqi people from further upheaval and worldwide economic events. They have been through enough in the last while and are seeking a more careful road back to its rightful place in the world after being stuck under a dictatorship for so long.
You say that "Iraq never plans to revalue the Dinar; instead it will either create a new currency or wait until it joins the GCC." I believe that is true of Mr. Maliki.. that HE does not ever plan to revalue the Dinar. However, I think it wrong to say that is true of all the Iraqis, and there are those who would see the wisdom of a robust Iraqi Dinar and also of private enterprise/capitalism over state control of the oil fields. The Kurds are a properous people who would do well without any training wheels or government interference. The fact that Mr. Maliki is more socialist like Obama in his viewpoints does not mean all Iraqis are, anymore than saying that because Obama is a socialist all Americans are.. but it can look that way when a person has that much power within the structure of government and holds to those socialist values. Mr. Maliki is NOT a free market person, and is for more and more state (really, Maliki) control. He and Obama hold a lot in common, I believe. I hope the Iraqi people do not re-elect him but put in someone else with more free values and for less state control of their lives and assets (oil). This could work toward a RV, certainly. I liked Mr. Mahdi that way and I have been thinking that he would be better for the country's economic prospects and ability for the average Iraqi to live a freer life and better standard of living for the common people, out from under so much central control.
As for creating a new currency, I think there are those Iraqis who would like to join the GCC. That is a viable option in their minds. I am not sure it is the BEST option, but it is one I think their conservative people may be more comfortable with. To go from complete dictatorship to capitalism is such a difficult reversal or course correction that it is deemed quite radical, I believe. The GCC is a "safer" option to many, and could be seen by them as viable if they are strong enough not to be mown over but receive assurances they will play a strategic role which does not diminish their value and worth but enhances it. It is still playing with the "big boys" and those people are sharks. Not an easy choice, but certainly not the deep waters of capitalism, which seem a bit chilly after so long in the corrupt bathouses and sauna rooms of a corrupt tinpot dictatorship such as Saddam's. Many are just not so ambitious as the Kurds whose economic fortunes could easily take off if given the chance.. either on their own or under a more open and free federal government in Iraq.
Those were my recent thoughts on it.. any comments on anything I stated? Rob.. NEIL.. or board? Thanks for the positive comment, too, Neil.. hope these thoughts are of some use to you. I am open to discussion and/or correction by you or any reading the board.. let me know if you have any opinions on my views,
Sara.
-- December 24, 2009 3:07 AM ∞
RON wrote:
Sara
I believe along the same lines you do on the Iraq situation.
GOD BLESS US ALL AND IRAQ-- December 24, 2009 9:33 AM ∞
RON wrote:
Sara
I believe along the same lines you do on the Iraq situation.
GOD BLESS US ALL AND IRAQ-- December 24, 2009 9:34 AM ∞
wrote:
America has spent $1 trillion on Iraq. In the news: All the oil contracts are going to Europeans and Chinese. WTF? Only 2/10 of contracts are going to America. Now China, our rival, can develop their economy with lots of Iraqi oil....thanks George Bush (sarcastic).... Bush screwed up. He is a failure. A loser. Biggest loser anytime for President. Spend a trillion conquer a country floating on oil, then leave the country to other countries to gain the benefits? What a moron....Bush was a fool, a failure, an idiot.....now you people are going to get ZERO dollars for your investment, like Rob said.....you are Bush's idiots....serves you right for supporting that prick.
-- December 24, 2009 11:23 PM ∞
NEIL wrote:
Anonymous: You were a little harsh in your comments but I believe that you are spot-on with your analogy.
To continue my thoughts about the condition of the USA, I consider Iraq to be highly instrumental in the problems that we are having in the Country today. As some of you may remember, I have been opposed to our involvement in Iraq all along. The price we have paid is too high. In addition to the lives lost, we have spent hundreds of billions of dollars which we had to borrow. The Iraqi war has cost Republicans the House, the Senate and the Presidency and has given us a President who is chipping away at the honesty, pride and will of the American people.
I would like for someone to tell me a single benefit that we have reaped or are going to reap from our efforts in that Country. Please don't tell me that we had to invade the Country because of "weapons of mass destruction" because there were none to be found when we got there otherwise Mr. Bush would have never admitted that there were none. Iraq was never much of a threat to us even if they had WMDs as the Country was too small, primitive and far away. Iran is more of a threat than Iraq was. Russia had a financial meltdown because of the exorbitant expenditures in fighting with Afghanistan for several years. We seem destined to the same fate.
I do see something good coming from all of this. When the people of the U.S. turned against the war in Iraq Mr. Bush ignored the peoples desires. The results were devastating and I see Mr. Obama doing the same thing in ignoring the will of the people that he slow down spending and back off from his health reform program but he refuses to listen to the people so I predict that next November 4th, there will be a huge increase in Republican Senators and Representatives elected.
This Global Government idea doesn't appeal to me and neither does our involvement and expenditures in all these other Countries while our Country deteriorates. I think we should pull in our horns a bit and get this Country back functioning like an industrial nation and on a sound financial footing before borrowing more money to help other Countries who care very little about us except for our money.
-- December 26, 2009 9:52 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi all,
Sara, Hi how are you, long time no see.
Nice to see you around......where have you been?
Earl,
Right, the ISX is right now trading sideways, my goal is long term, and no need to watch it everyday, and I guess you have come to the same conclution.
Some days, I am happier turning a wrench, fishing, raking the yard, or just do something that is completely disconnected.
I arrived yesterday with military convoy, to the airbase Talil. Southern Iraq.
If and when Iraq will get their tourism industry going, they for sure have some stuff to show.
Yesterday when arriving in a long convoy, the daylight broke just when arriving to the base, a red sun rose slowly, and I saw a big stone building, on top of a hill.
In the sun the way it came in it was beautiful, I only learned later that I was looking at Abrahams tomb.
I am told that his old home is preserved.
Close to here is also the old cities of Babylon, and Ur.
Unfortunately, the tourism bussiness is not exactly booming here right now, and there are only two tours a months going to the Abrahams vistas.
Occasionally the Chaplain on base can arrange separate tours, but it was not in the cards for me this time, so I had to be happy with looking at all this stuff from a distance.
With hotels busses and regular tours, this specific area could very well be one of the hotspots to visit.
As I saw it yesterday though when I came in, they need to work on a lot of things before that could happen.
The desert is full of plastic bags, plastic bottles, plastic trash car wrecks, tankwrecks, old industrial wrecks, airplane wrecks, war and peace trash of all kinds, and inbetween filled with disposal trash, untendered to.
It is just not too nice of a sight to look out in the desert, now. It's like a big trash bag.
I saw containers, huts, and tents and a lot of camels, in this area you see a lot of Beduins, a people that losely can be said to be the Arabs Gypsies. Along the road side, very dirty children begging for food. they look like they have not had to eat for a month, and a bath for a year.
For any project like a desert cleanup, better housing for the Iraqi people, and getting children into schools, so they don't have to stand and beg for a living, a lot of transformation has to take place.
First the money, the flow have to start increasing, and with the oil, now apparently in the development, this will ensure a fatter society.
Second, an administration that has for thousand of years used bribes, under the table money, and payouts, as part of the standard operating procedure, this will be a very hard nut to crack.
Eventually, even in the most corrupt societies, like in the old European Monarchies, where the wealth was distributed according to social (the inbreeds) rank, when there was good years, even the bottomdwellers got a better share.
As a pure financial observance, an RV would kickstart almost everything in Iraq. With an elevated buying power even the bottomfeeders will rise.
For an RV to actually happen....hopefully, but if it actually will.....well, the only way is to keep pushing for it, but it is not known if our opinion is even heard in the ranks of the CBI's inner circle.
Southern part of Iraq, the roads are not as pottmarked by IED's like in the nothern Iraq, and many stretches are actually really nice. The roadsystem in need of repair is mostly in the war ravaged provinces up north.
We're suppose to be out of Iraq completely in a couple of years from now, but I have heard so may variations of it by now, that I dont really think that the masters in charge really know themselves.
One is sayng that we WILL keep five bases, another one that we have a 99 years defense agreement with the Iraqis, another sayng that the withdrawal will be complete, and so on.
We are in a withdrawal moode, at least I can say that. I was at a base, a couple of days ago ( TQ, close to Falluja) and the whole base is more or less in crates and containers now, I had a flat tire, and the place was in such a dissaray that one of the guys at the service station had to go back to his own hootch to geet one of his private tools, just to get the job done.
Half of that base is already cordoned off, with barbed wire, and the Iraqis are back in that half.
We definitely are on the way out, but to what degree, I don't know.
Other bases are building up, as people from other bases are coming over. We are consolidating and are getting more and more concentrated it seems.
I used to run watermissions with a tankertruck to small outlying forts, drinking and shower water, but no more. They are turned over more and more to the Iraqis.
This consolidation will probably continue as time goes by, until we either are out completely or are set in a few big bases.
It is of my opinion that very little of the material we have hauled in over the years will actually be removed and transported back.
All the barracks, those are not really a high cost item, big and space demanding in transport, all the electrical wiring, you really cant start cutting wires, and roll it up, plumbing, water containers, road improvements, asphalt layed, and so on over the years, you really can't hack it up and ship it back.
Military hardware goes back, but some of the lesser wanted vehicles, will probably stay.
All in all, the big move I had anticipated, convoy after convoy with stuff, going to Turkey, Jordan or Kuwait, have not really happened, it seems more like it is business as usual.
From what I understand, each base commander have a budget number that he needs to fulfill, for returning items value, rather than an item list.
The government waist is tremedeous, I have seen fields of boxes, full of stuff that is fully useable, just sitting and rotting away. Boxes with fire extingushers, electrical conduit, toilet paper, odd things like PVC glue, stainless steel food heaters, including boxes of cleaning powder for it. Looooot's of odd stuff. Boxes after boxes.
Another complete waist is the way Dep of Defense is hiring workers.
The idea with a Dep of Defense contractor is that they will hire a man from the civilian sector that is a proffessional in his area, and thus the military will not have to recruit a man for that particular activity, and instead the military can concentrate on doing pure war activities with the men or women they recruit.
Well, the big defense contractors, then charge the Government pretty hefty charges for each man, they can bring to the scene of operation to do the service the military need for their support.
Then the big military contractors turn around and create a big conglomerate of sub companies based in Asia, Africa or Middle East, and hire people from those countries and fill in the DOD, required work spots. The people from the other countries dont get anywhere close to what we get, so DOD, the DOD contractor, and the DOD subcontractor are all happy, they get a bargin price for services.
So on bases, we have a very very big population of third world countries people doing anything from laundry, food handling, fueling, service repairs, and on and on.
Hardly anyone speaks any English at all. Very broken English.
Their contracts are very hard, they can not go home for two years, and may get maybe between 400 to 800 Dollars a month. mostly in the 4-500 Dollar range.
This is creating massive security problems, as these paople have to be living under special conditions, in their own compound, guarded and shuffled around with busses, to and from where they need to be.
Lot of restrictions are set on them what, where and when they can or can not do anything.
They are mostly used in modain jobs, as garbage handlers, food handlers, fuelers, and such, but some are used in critical areas as well.
At ANY base in Iraq, a securityfirm from Nebraska is hiring Ugandans exclusively to do the perimeter guard job, you will see them outside most any place in the base, such as the PX, ( General store) or DFAC ( dinner falility...the messhall) , checking you for ID.
A Ugandan national is checking any US citizen on a US base for most any entry, to most any point of interest. They also hold the perimeter, and do security searches when vehicles are arriving at bases.
Phillipinos, Pakistanis or Indians are mostly doing billeting and service jobs.
With this, a big underground black market has developet.
When fueling at my base, you will get a long list of things presented to you, it's like a WalMart.
-"Do you need a knife Sir"?....uh no thanks
-"Do you have batteries to your flashlight"?...Uh, well I think I am fine.
-"Need a flashlight Sir"?...uh no mine is fine...thanks.
-"What is your shoe size Sir"?You know it is all stolen, you get 200 Dollar items for 20-30 Bucks.Brand new in it's original wrapper for the most part.
In my own hootch I have been lifted from a nice Smith and Wesson pocket knife, in my truck I have been lifted from a camera. (Whe we are arriving at a base, most of the time, you are taken out of your truck, while the Ugandans, are doing a "Security check", they open up everything you have.....and help themselves to a couple of Cameras and Ipods at the same time.)
The Idea that a civilian man will take a military mans job, as a contractor, have spilled over into a military contractors heaven, where instead of money going back into the US economy, by employing US citizens, we are instead doing the local economies of Pakistan, India, Nepal Uganda and Phillipines, a favor, and at the same time increasing the security risks, and on base crimes over the roof, by hiring 3rd world people to do the US militarys job.
We dont "owe" any other country any favours when it comes to our militarys, job openings.
My comment to that is, hire only a person from the US that can show a valid SS number, and you will get well needed money back into the US economy, at the same time as you will get a big handle on the security problem.
Roger in Iraq
-- December 27, 2009 5:55 PM ∞
wrote:
Trump Big Buy Into Dinar
By James A Smith SFO
Trump Big Buy Into Dinar
James A Smith Senior Financial Officer
JAS Financial
Trump Big Buy Into Dinar
United States real estate mogul Donald J. Trump has been diversifying and moving East with his properties and it now appears he is in the Far East buying Dinars, $30 Million U. S. Dollars.
Donald J. Trump “It’s time for all of us to diversify our assets and take back the American dream” . the Donald trump list of investments grows as we speak; Trump Casino, Trump International Hotel, Trump Marina Hotel and Casino, Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort and Trump Tower, TV Shows, properties in New York, Las Vegas; Chicago; Miami; Los Angeles; the Caribbean; Hawaii; New Jersey; Scotland; Dubai; Dominican east region, Reality Dating the Trump University, vitamin and health products and now the New Iraqi Dinar.
“It’s time for all of us to diversify our assets and take back the American dream”. Donald J. TrumpIt appears now Trump Big Buy into Dinar is confirmed. There has been a rumor about this for a while but it has remained unconfirmed for the most part until very recently. In the past week the source of the sale a dealer involved and a person in the hi-raise industry have confirmed the Big Buy.
Donald Trump - synonymous with luxury high-rises, his TV show and a distinctive hair style - is now putting his money into the Dinar investment / speculation arena. It is not for resale but as a hedge and as with many in anticipation of the revalue of the New Iraqi Dinar.
Many believe that the Dinar will return to its historic value of $3.20 as opposed to it value today of less then one cent.
The source lives in Bagdad and has been involved in the Dinar business for the past 5 years and sells to 21 dealers in North and South America and has confirmed a stepped delivery schedule of $30 million dollars US. They have all been delivered at this point.
The dealer lives in the mid west United States and stated that he was contacted by an agent who was looking for a source to obtain the 30 million dollars of Dinars about a year ago. He was unable to put the deal together by himself and set up the original teleconference between the source and the agent for a finders fee. The agent never revealed who he was representing but the source did the day the deal was put together.
Final confirmation was made last week in a unrelated interview. The interview was about the New Trump Network that just launched with a person who has been close to the Trump Empire, and the Trump / Dinar rumor came up.
We now confirm is the Trump Big Buy Into Dinar rumor, and true to his statement It’s time for all of us to diversify our assets and take back the American dream” Donald may well obtain another American Dream of turning 30 million into 30 billion!
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-- December 28, 2009 1:44 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Anonymous,
The article you posted about Trump buying Dinar originated in 2006 and has not been independently confirmed. I highly suspect the authenticity of what you posted. I also suspect you posted this article because you are a Dinar dealer and you see sales slipping.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- December 28, 2009 9:57 PM ∞
wrote:
Rob's right. I'm a Dinar dealer. Keep buying suckers!
-- December 29, 2009 11:53 AM ∞
shannon wrote:
not cool
-- December 30, 2009 8:26 AM ∞
RON wrote:
Be safe all at this new year time in our lives.
May GOD BLESS US ALL AND THE WORLD.-- December 30, 2009 11:33 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
Not all nations are following the path of the U.S. or Iraq in monetizing its debt with the creation of worthless paper notes. Both China and India are buying gold in order to shore up their respective currencies. Since China has recently bought 2 metric tons of gold. China's desires the Yuan to be the world reserve currency. In fact, China is aggressively encouraging its own citzenry to purchase gold. In contrast, our government seeks to artifically manipulate the price of gold and silver to discourage its citizens from owning any.
Concerning the Dinar, the New Iraqi Dinar like all other fiat currencies is too prevalent. As I said, the $32 trillion Iraqi Dinars currenly in circulation exceeds the country's GDP; which in 2008, was estimated at $84.7 billion. Do you honestly believe there is value in a currency where its over-supply exceeds GDP? Iraq has chosen to venture down the road of monetizing instead of anchoring its Dinar to hard assets like gold or oil. Iraq has not any measurable gold. In its current form the Dinar is not a petro currency and without the HCL and an increae in oil production a petro-dinar will not exist. In fact, Iraq does not produce enough oil (2.5 million barrels a day) to jusify passage of the HCL or tie its fiat Dinar to oil. I believe this is why the legislation has been in parliament for over 2 years. Having an over abudance of paper money creates an imbalance and does not make for a robust currency.
This Bremer Dinar is nothing more than war scrip created by the United States. What is the definition of war scrip? U.S. paper currency issued for temporary emergency use, e.g. by an occupying force. Our industrial military complex in Iraq is an occupying force the current Iraqi Dinar is meant to be a transitory currency. I think it is imperative for us to face the hard honest truth about the Iraqi Dinar; it is not honest money.
The Iraqi Dinar in its current form is not its final form. Once the occupiers leave and Iraq is left to govern itself a currency change will occur. Iraq's current monetary notes (25000, 10000, 5000, and 1000) are inflationary only and Iraq will either lop its currency introducing homogenius denominations matching those of the other gulf nations or they may keep the occupiers currency and transition to the unified currency of the GCC. Iran's desire to lop its own 10000 rial may be an omen of what is to come inside Iraq.
I have moved from Bull to Bear concerning the Iraqi Dinar; the reality of this ivestment is it is the dealers that have handsomely profited not those of us who bought the currency. In my view holding this currency is a lossing proposition and I recommend getting out while there is still a market to do so.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- December 30, 2009 3:45 PM ∞
Dinar Dealer wrote:
The Iraqi Dinar has been a good investment for me. I made half a million U.S. selling to suckers. Thanks everyone!
-- December 30, 2009 4:13 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi all,
Happy new year to you all.
What have we got here, Rob N, loosing patience and a heckler is dooing one liners.
The Dinr is long term, and aas most hve hoped that it would go quicker than it is going, the long term is still long term
An RV would be nice, and a deiverance to some, but all in all, everything depends on a turnaround in Iraq.
with long teerm I am looking t it this way. whatever time schedule this is on, it will not stay the same forever, and the potential prospects are very very good.
My approach too this is basically that I have set my trap, have the Dinar in the accounts I like and have my stock portfolio all set.
At this point I dont need to check the charts or CBI website everyday for an exchange rate difference.
I don't need to check my account everyday, I know I am getting my 7% , and I dont need to check the ISX for stock changes everyday.
The trap is set, if it goes well and the trap snaps,, I will bevery happy, and if it doesn't catch anything one day or the other, I m not worried one bit.
I have a long term bullish attitude, but are not deciding everyday if I will be bullish or bearish on the Dinar.
The old saying is to not invest more than you can lose.
With that in mind, I invested the amount that will make absolutely no differene in my life. I would ofcourse hte to lose it, if things go bad, but it will not make any differene at all, because I invested this money about three years ago now, and in that sense, it is already gone. I have not seen them since then and my life is still happy.
I have read some bloggers in the past that have a completely different way to look at things, some seems almost desperate.
True or not, but some seem to be sitting on a couple of millio Dinars in a drawer somewhere, and the rest of their life is in complete shambles, and this is their only way out.
That is desperate.
Pulling out a stack of Dinars, put it under the table lamp, eyeing each one of them, fondlig them, ...c'mon.
Any investment, at least in my eyes contains a certain element of risk.
If that is known...then so what?
If it is not that serious, attention spans will be left for other things in life, it will be possible to laugh, and actually hear the birds sing come spring.
That is a wonderful life.
I wish you all a wonderful life.
Roger
-- January 2, 2010 2:13 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Thanks Roger.
All the best to you in this New Year.Rob N.. have you sold your Dinar yet?
If not I may take the time to post or email you why I think you should keep them.
I do think I have a different view and perspective than most.
But if you sold them already.. there is not much point.Sara.
-- January 3, 2010 12:04 AM ∞
Rob N wrote:
Dinar Dealer, why do you torture me? Leave me alone. My whole life is in worthless war scrip. I can't hear the birds sing. I have a couple millio over by my lamp. I fondlig them daily. I'm desperate. My life is a shambles. Let's face the truth: we are fools. I'm done. I think I'll go read Sarah Palins biography.
-- January 3, 2010 12:12 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
I have sought the Lord about sharing with you some of what the Lord has taught me concerning the Dinar and what He is doing in the world - and thus the underpinnings from a theological perspective of why the Dinar will revalue, even though those who hold the current purse strings in Iraq are unwilling to do so, as you have seen. And, you know, I could quote and show you from articles in the news what fits with this now, and explain why the arguments you bring out are irrelevant to what will actually happen.. and why. But He says to be quiet and not to speak of it... that He has given me understanding and that we must realize that the wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted (Ps 12:8). And, He says, "If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood lies and says, "I will prophecy to you of wine and of strong drink" - he shall even be the prophet of this people." (Micah 2:11)
This is not a good time historically, as I am sure you have discerned. I can only say to you that there is a plan higher than those of men, and that plan, as always, can encompass the entire spectrum of human life and experience, including war, and still not be thwarted.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Pro 9:12 If you are wise, you shall be wise for yourself: but if you scorn, you alone shalt bear it.
If you sell your Dinar, that is your choice.. but I do believe you can see which voice you are listening to by doing so. Mr. Anonymous is hardly the voice of reason you should listen to. Remember all the good President Bush has done.. and for this good - in keeping the Homeland safe and setting the oppressed in Iraq free from a horrible despotic dictator, etc, etc.. he is reviled by such as this poster/heckler (as are you, see the lastest post before this one he made mocking you while pretending to be you).
Pro 17:13 Whoso rewards evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house.
Pro 4:14 Do not enter into the path of the wicked, and do not go in the way of evil men.
I believe that the one who would rejoice at your being out of the Dinar is Anonymous, who has mocked and laughed and ridiculed.. not us who have been your friends and fellow travellers along this road. Is Anonymous really the voice you wish to hear and heed? Think about it.
Still optimistic about the longterm future.. of the Dinar, the USA, Israel and the world - in spite of all the wicked now are empowered to throw at them,
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take to yourself the whole armour of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand.. we are very close, you would not have such opposition trying to drive you to dispair otherwise.
Sara.
-- January 3, 2010 1:42 AM ∞
Dinar's Ready wrote:
Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Sara, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
-- January 3, 2010 8:32 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
While I respect you and appreciate your deliberate and thoughtful comments concerning the Dinar my current plans are to divest. Concerning George W. Bush has not done good. He radically expanded the powers of the excutive branch and he authored the Patriot Act. I believe the Patriot Act to be unconstitutional and restricts the bill of rights.
Saddam Hussein like the Shaw of Iran was the puppet of the United States; in short, Saddam Hussein stepped out of line Geroge W. Bush in concert with the Bilderberg group and the Council on Foreign Relations invaded and looted Iraq. Saddam paid with his life. 9-11 was carried out by CIA opperatives in order to justify the invasion of Iraq. Iraq did not have not weapons of mass destruction. The weapons they had were provided by the United States of America.
I have stated my opinion about the Dinar; there are too many in circulation and this amount exceeds the nations GDP. It is War Scrip. Printed and distributed by the Rothschilds. I am out. I think you should consider getting out to while there is still a market.
Thanks,Rob N.
-- January 4, 2010 10:01 AM ∞
wrote:
Rob, now you are making sense! It was all the Jews, right? The Rothschilds are Jews right? The Jews were behind 9-11 right? Thanks. Well, I'll let you go back to your KKK meeting.
-- January 4, 2010 11:13 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Anonymous,
My comments are not designed to be taken in racially; it is a fact, the Bildeberg Group and the Council on Foreign Relations dictated to President George W. Bush the date of the Iraqi invasion. Furthermore, the "crafty Paul Wolfowitz and the Rothchild banking empire [took] over the Iraqi monetary system". The article I am quoting from is by R.D. Bradshaw Understanding Money and War-Part VI. There are a total of 15 parts to this article; I have enclosed a link for you and the rest of the board to read.
You must learn that silence is golden. Enjoy reading this series of articles; my hope is that it is enlighting.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 4, 2010 2:37 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Rob,
No WMD have you been living under a large rock for the last few years
The CIA, time for you to put your shrink on overtime rate sunshine
Look around are there bars on the windows and is the door locked from the outside, it seems you have checked into the funny farm moon beam, bit of a give away is the plastic eating irons with no knife
France and Germany delayed the coalition forses from starting the war,they are both up on charges of selling resticted items to Iraq for years before the war, why the delay well it gave Saddams Russian experts time to shift all the gear out of the country, do you remember there was a cargo ship loaded up and just doing long slow lazy circules in the gulf for weeks when the war started, then it just disapeared, where to pucked if I know but it must have had gear ect on board, the rest was flown out in striped out civie planes and the rest into next door counties, then bury the rest, oh and a few of the trops must have come into Iraq with their pockets full of yellow cake to leave it laying around so they could say it was Saddams
Or you may have had a very good holliday season loaded up with shed loads of drugs and booze and you are comeing back down to the real world with a bump
Have a nice day and stay lucky, Steve.
-- January 5, 2010 9:20 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Steve,
Saddam Hussein like the Shaw of Iran was a puppet of the United States (i.e. Bildeberg Group and the Council on Foreign Relations); once the puppet failed to continue the program his country was invaded, looted, and he was murdered.
There is not any justification for the invasion and looting of Iraq. Iraq did not carry out 9-11 and Saddam did not have WMDs. I call your attention to a CNN report dated October 7, 2004; I quote, "Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes." George W. Bush used Saddam Hussein as a scapegoat for 9-11. 9-11 was carried out by CIA operatives in order to invade and loot Iraq. George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and his entire staff should be charged with War Crimes against humanity. George W. Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown are themselves terrorists; Barack Hussein Obama is carrying out Bush's folly in Afghanistan widening to Yemen and it will eventually encapsulate Iran.
Concerning Iran it is my hope their Theocracy can quell the covert attempts by the U.S. Government at destablization. Our purpose in destablizing the country is regime change. Neo-Con Bill Crystal over joyed with glee hoped 2010 would bring a regime change in Iran. The U.S. wants to install another puppet in country; this is an attempt to institute global governance and the U.S. military is being used to carry out such a plan. If Iran survives these covert attempts at internal destablization it will signal a resolve in the Iranian people to withstand the wiles of the Great Satan.
Steve, call me a drug addict or an alcoholic but I see the world as it is and not according to political ideology. The U.S. is an evil country gripped by abhorrant people who wish to institute global governance. They want to enslave you to them by enticing you to go into debt and they wish to rape you of every shilling, farthing, or dime you make. The events we are witnessing have a greater significance than just political ideology. These events are threatening our very existence and freedom. Question everything because there is always a hidden agenda.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 5, 2010 10:18 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
I wrote a lot of stuff back to you, in reply to your post(s),
but I had no peace to post or email you with it.
Perhaps you are right in your advice to Anonymous and silence is golden.Sara.
-- January 5, 2010 10:52 AM ∞
Osama bin Laden wrote:
I planned 9-11. I did it. I admit it....I have said so on tape.......No wait.....I changed my mind.....Rob is right. I had nothing to do with 9-11. The CIA did it. They murdered their own people, the infidels. We Muslim radicals LOVE America. Listen to Rob N. He is my brother in truth. Death to America!
-- January 5, 2010 10:53 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Hi Rob,I was just makeing it light about you, did you not get plasterd and high over the vacation, everyone I know did, I couldent drive for two weeks had to take cabs everywhere as I was to smashed and crashed to drive, mine you it was my birthday on the 5th Jan so it extends the vacation for me, LOL LOL
Have a read on, http.www.jihadwatch.org/
On the right put in a search for, WMD IraqAbout the third article down headed
Report: Saddam transferred WMD to Syria
Then the next article as well and any more there on WMD
As you seem to like CNN try, http://www.edition.cnn.com/specials/saddam.trial/
Then put in a search for, WMD Iraq then have a good readT&B has gone through the WMD in the past very extensively
So you could do well in reading past listings on this site
I find it hard to believe that there are still some people
who do not know about the WMDJust what do you think Saddam killed the Kurds with
old spice- high karate, NO it was gasHave a nice day and stay lucky, Steve.
-- January 6, 2010 10:30 AM ∞
Steve wrote:
OK maybe this one, http://www.jihadwatch.org/
-- January 6, 2010 10:36 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Steve,
I will be glad to read those articles; regardless of Saddam Hussein's behavior America and the coalition did not have a right to invade and loot Iraq. Any regime change should have been organic initiated by the people of Iraq.
Saddam's treatment of the Kurds is not the reason we invaded and looted that country. George W. Bush made the outlandish claim of Saddam's ties to Al-Qaeda. On January 23, 2008 Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith with The Center for Public Integrity published an article, Iraq The War Card Orchestrated Deception on the Path to War.
In this article these gentlemen make the following statement; "Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq." One other excerpt should suffice: "On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war." You can read the entirety of the article at http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/.
The U.S. industrial military complex is in the midst of a push for global governance. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iran is not about terrorism; it is about subduing an independent people who repel at the thought of being under the control of the Great Satan (U.S.)and his whore (England). The abhorrent people behind Bush and Obama wish to reduce the worlds population from 7,000,000,000 to a mere 500,000,000. These people wish to enslave you and make you a debtor to off-shore banking titans. Perpetual War creates perpetual debt. Global Warming and Obama Care are the vehicles to create perpetual taxation that will never pay for the perpetual debt. Eventually these Eugenists will experiment on you and kill you like Dr. Joseph Mangele. Oh! wait! These are the same people that funded Hitler and Stalin.
The New Iraqi Dinar is a fallacy. It is a Rothchild created financial instrument to coincide with the puppet government currently in Iraq. The 25000, 10000, 5000, and 1000 notes are inflationary. The amount of currency in circulation exceeds the country's GDP. I do not believe these inflationary notes that exceed GDP has value. In fact, the dinars value is an artifical value. Currently, Iraq is forced by the IMF and World Bank to use this worthless war scrip. As I have said on numerous occasions; get out of the Dinar and get out now.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 6, 2010 1:23 PM ∞
Osama bin Thinkin wrote:
Take heed of Rob's words:
"The U.S. is an evil country...They want to enslave you...George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and his entire staff should be charged with War Crimes against humanity. George W. Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown are themselves terrorists"
He speaks the truth about The Great Satan. Death to America! Allah Akbar!
-- January 6, 2010 2:21 PM ∞
O.B.L. wrote:
I am writing a book about proper parenting of young people. I thought my friend Rob N might enjoy this article about me:
The Associated Press, Updated: January 5, 2010 6:00 PM
Bin Laden's parenting style: Cruel, unusualRIYADH, Saudi Arabia - With a book written by one of Osama bin Laden's sons, and with news of a daughter sheltering in the Saudi Embassy in Iran, some of the blanks are being filled in on the life of the 9/11 mastermind's large family, including lurid details of his parenting style.
Two weeks ago, the son, Omar bin Laden, revealed that many of the children who had been with their father in Afghanistan escaped to Iran following the 2001 U.S.-led invasion, and were still together in a walled compound under Iranian guard.
Confirmation came with the news that a daughter, Eman bin Laden, had taken refuge in the Saudi Embassy in Tehran. Saudi officials are negotiating with the Iranians to allow Eman to return to Saudi Arabia, where she was born. On Tuesday Omar bin Laden told The Associated Press that he, as well as his wife and mother, had applied for visas to go to Tehran and help speed Eman's case.
Omar and his wife, Zaina Alsabah, later e-mailed the AP to report that another bin Laden son, 16-year-old Bakr, had been allowed to leave on Dec. 25. It said, "He arrived with great joy at the destination of his choice" and was with relatives. The e-mail did not disclose where Bakr was, but said he was not in Saudi Arabia.
Bin Laden's family was already under the spotlight in "Growing Up Bin Laden," written by Omar and his mother, Najwa bin Laden, and published in late October.
The book describes a brood of children — up to 20 from different wives — who were raised from an early age by an authoritarian father who shunned the luxury his inherited wealth could buy.
No laughter, or toys The mother and son write that the kids grew up in Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Afghanistan without laughter or toys, were routinely beaten, and lost their pets to painful death from poison gas experiments by their father's fighters.
When they became young adults, their father asked them to volunteer for suicide missions. When Omar protested, bin Laden was quoted as replying: "You hold no more a place in my heart than any man or boy in the entire country. This is true for all my sons."
It was then, Omar recounted, that he "finally knew exactly where I stood. My father hated his enemies more than he loved his sons."
Speaking to AP, Omar recalled visiting his father's training camps in Afghanistan and being sent to the front lines of the civil war that tore Afghanistan in the 1990s.
"I nearly lost my life so many times," he said. "People may ask why I left my father. I left because I did not want anyone to choose my destiny. ... And I believe I chose correctly, for I chose life. I chose peace."
Osama bin Laden was 17 when he married his Syrian first cousin, Najwa, then 15. The couple lived in the western port city of Jiddah, where bin Laden took three more wives.
In Jiddah's suffocating heat, the family was denied the use of refrigerators and air conditioners. When Omar's asthma got bad, his father ordered him to treat it with honeycombs and onions.
In the early 1990s, bin Laden fell out with the Saudi royal family over the presence of U.S.-led troops on Saudi soil and moved his wives and children to Sudan. There he owned farms, grew sunflowers and set up several businesses.
'Challenging trials' On a nighttime camping trip outside Khartoum, the Sudanese capital, bin Laden told his oldest sons to dig ditches in the desert and then ordered his wives and children to each lie in one of them, according to the book. When someone complained of the desert cold, bin Laden said they should cover themselves with dirt or grass.
"Do not think about foxes or snakes," the book quoted him as saying. "Challenging trials are coming to us."
In 1994, the Saudi government stripped bin Laden of his citizenship.
The next year five Americans were killed by a car bomb outside a U.S. military training center in Riyadh. It was the first attack on Saudi soil that the government blamed on bin Laden followers.
Bin Laden was forced to leave Sudan in 1996. He moved his family — minus his second wife and her children, who had left him — to stone huts without electricity or running water high on a mountain in Tora Bora in Afghanistan.
There he took a fifth wife, believed to be a Yemeni. He sent his children to the front lines of the Afghan civil war and made them attend hours of jihadist indoctrination.
In the book, Omar described how one day, while sitting with his father on the mountain, bin Laden told him about his plan is to destroy the U.S. from within.
"I sat mute, feeling not one jolt of passion for my father's life," Omar wrote. "I only wanted him to be like other fathers, concerned with his work and his family."
On Sept. 9, 2001, Najwa left her husband and returned to her native Syria, taking with her a son and her two youngest daughters. Eman, Omar's sister, was left behind with her father and siblings. Omar, who by then was 20, had left the family and Afghanistan earlier that year.
Fled to Iran In a Dec. 23 interview with Asharq al-Awsat newspaper, Omar said the bin Laden children were told to flee after the U.S.-led offensive in Afghanistan began, and they ended up in neighboring Iran.
He told the paper that the family had been unsure of their fate until Eman's escape.
It has long been believed that Iran has in custody a number of bin Laden's children who fled Afghanistan, most notably Saad and Hamza, who are thought to have held positions in al-Qaida.
But Iran never confirmed it and claimed to have been surprised to discover Eman was in the Saudi embassy.
Besides 17-year-old Eman, the siblings in Iran include Othman, 25, Fatima, 22, Hamza, 20, and Bakr, 15 along with 25 other relatives, among them bin Laden's daughters-in-law and 11 grandchildren, according to Omar.
Five other children are in Saudi Arabia and three in Syria, he said.
Son Saad left the compound less than a year ago and his whereabouts are unknown, Omar told the AP in an e-mail last month. This year, U.S. officials said Saad, who would have been 30, may have died in a U.S. drone airstrike in Pakistan.
Refuge in Saudi Embassy Omar told the paper that after eluding her Iranian guards, Eman managed to contact her brother Abdullah, bin Laden's first-born. He had left the bin Laden household in the 1990s when they all lived in Sudan, and is now in Saudi Arabia.
He advised her to seek immediate refuge in the Saudi Embassy, the paper said.
Omar and his wife, Alsabah, both spoke to the AP. Alsabah said the compound occupied by bin Laden's family is on the outskirts of Tehran and has several houses, gardens and a swimming pool.
"They are well-treated," she said.
Saudi Arabia and Iran are strategic rivals in the Middle East, and the sensitivities surrounding the bin Laden family's case are such that she asked that her and her husband's present whereabouts not be revealed.
Omar said getting his sister out of Tehran was "a family issue" and "It has nothing to do with politics."
-- January 6, 2010 2:36 PM ∞
Osama bin Laden wrote:
Infidels: Of course, don't take my comments seriously, in the last story, about me telling my children of my plan to "destroy the U.S. from within". That story was planted by the CIA, who master-minded 9-11, as my friend Rob N. will tell you.
Well, I have to get back to beating my wives and children.
-- January 6, 2010 3:51 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
O.B. L. - My concern isn't with your parenting as much as the concern about your relatives and the potential threat to America they pose, which is going unheeded:
===
OSAMA BIN LADEN'S RELATIVES FLY PLANES ACROSS USA SKIES
By J. Grant Swank, Jr.
Saturday, December 12, 2009Federal Aviation Administration officialdom says it’s okay. The pilots have been vetted.
Like unto Barack Hussein Obama? Not good.
Bottom line: “’The many different spellings of bin Laden in the data make it impossible to determine exactly who has a license,’ said Mark Schiffer of Safe Banking systems, a computer security firm that analyzed the FAA records.
“’The information is so thoroughly compromised that any vetting system built on it is unreliable,’ said Schiffer per ABC News.
“’. . .thoroughly compromised. . .that. . .system. .. unreliable.’”
There are a dozen of bin Laden’s family who fly the skies, maybe more than that. So we are not sure as to exactly the number. Maybe a dozen. Could be additionals. Not good.
They are sanctioned as licensed pilots via the FAA. That opens the unlimited air spheres anywhere in these United States.
Three of these pilots just got their licenses in June 2009.
All sorts of “reasons” have been offered by the government as to why all this is stable for safety. We know how much we can depend on present
government.Question: Why does America take any chances whatsoever with bin Laden’s relatives—close and distant? Does democracy have no logical limits or do we just open wide for Islam World Rule to reign?
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Check it out at “The High-Flying Bin Ladens -- 12 Osama Kin Hold FAA Licenses” at:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/high-flying-bin-ladens/story?id=9271855which states in part:
According to the FAA records, the bin Laden family members who currently hold FAA licenses include:
Yeslam bin Laden, the half brother of Osama who lives in Geneva and runs the investment arm of the family business, the Saudi Binladin Group, SBG. His FAA license was issued just this year in June 2009, making it possible for him to fly his own Lear jet.
Omar bin Laden, a half-brother of Osama who is on the board of directors of SBG. He has held his FAA private pilot license since 1977.
Tarek bin Laden, a half-brother of Osama who is also on the board of the SBG firm. He was licensed in June 1985.
Carmen bin Laden, an ex-wife of Yeslam bin Laden, who lives in Switzerland. Her license was issued in July 1976.
Abdul Aziz bin Laden, a half-brother of bin Laden who has held a commercial pilot's license since October, 1978.
Abdullah bin Laden, an Osama half-brother who received a commercial pilot's license in June, 2009.
Randa bin Laden, a half-sister of Osama who received her private pilot's license in October 1978.
Ghalib bin Laden, a half-brother of Osama who has held a FAA commercial pilot's license since March 1991.
Nawaf bin Laden, a nephew of Osama, who received a commercial pilot's license from the FAA in September 1994. He is the son of Bakr bin Laden, whose FAA license was revoked for "security concerns."
Najiah bin Laden, a half-sister of Osama who formerly lived in Los Angeles. She holds a private pilot's license, first issued in August, 1993.
Shafig bin Laden, a half-brother of Osama who received a student pilot's license in 1995.
Khalil bin Laden, a half brother of Osama who lives in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and who received his student pilot's license this June.
-- January 7, 2010 6:19 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
A note concerning O.B.L.'s associates.
No, not the ones with flying licenses in the USA.
You know, the ones the authorities are not noting or "profiling."
(Isn't Political Correctness wonderful?)
But, some other ones:===
Bin Laden Guards Planned CIA Bombing
From the UK’s Times:Suicide attack on CIA agents ‘was planned by bin Laden inner circle’
Tim Reid in Washington and Zahid Hussain in Islamabad
January 7, 2010US intelligence officials believe that the suicide bomb attack that killed seven CIA officers in Afghanistan last month was planned with the help of Osama bin Laden’s close allies, raising fears that the al-Qaeda leader is enjoying a lethal resurgence.
They think that the attack could not have taken place without the prior knowledge and assistance of the Haqqanis, the powerful Taleban group thought to be shielding bin Laden.
The attack was carried out by a Jordanian doctor whom the CIA believed was about to divulge the whereabouts of bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al- Zawahiri. It is one of the deadliest blows against the CIA and has increased tensions between the US and Pakistan because of Islamabad’s repeated failure to target the Haqqanis.
The Haqqanis control a large block of territory on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border near the Afghan town of Khost, a Taleban hotbed near where the CIA officials were killed on December 30. It is also where the US believes bin Laden is hiding…
Pakistan has ignored US demands to target the strongholds of the Haqqanis’ leader, Sirajuddin Haqqani, whose father, Jalaluddin, founded the network and was a Mujahidin commander and ally of the US during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. The network is said to be behind several audacious attacks, including the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul in July 2008…
What has alarmed the US is the fact that al-Qaeda and the Taleban managed, despite an intense US bombing campaign, to mount an operation that wiped out the top CIA experts involved in the hunt for bin Laden. “It’s a huge blow,” a former CIA officer said. “If you are Osama bin Laden, your biggest enemy is the CIA. This is a big hit.”
The attack was carried out by Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, who came to the CIA via Jordanian intelligence. He had already provided accurate information on the whereabouts of lower-level al-Qaeda and Taleban operatives but he was allowed on to the CIA’s Forward Operating Base Chapman without undergoing a security check and then permitted access to more than ten CIA employees, an extraordinarily high number to congregate around an Islamist informant. He detonated his bomb soon after entering the base, killing four CIA field agents, three CIA security guards and a Jordanian intelligence officer. One of the dead was the CIA’s chief at the base, a woman in her mid-thirties…
Former CIA officials told The Times that the high number of CIA officers travelling from Kabul to meet al-Balawi reflected how desperate the agency was for information on bin Laden…
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It is probably safe to say that Mr. Obama’s campaign rhetoric about Bush’s failure in finding him was a factor in the death of these CIA personnel.
This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Thursday, January 7th, 2010.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/bin-laden-guards-planned-cia-bombing
-- January 8, 2010 2:05 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
It may be hard to believe but Osama Bin Laden is dead; he is now used by our President and Industrial Military Complex to continue these illegal and ungodly wars where our soldiers have died in Iraq for oil and are dying in Afghanistan to control and distribution of the opium trade. The war on terror is an excuse to introduce tyranny accross the world through global governance.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 8, 2010 5:17 PM ∞
Cheech and Chong wrote:
Uncle Sam: Like, man, leave my drugs alone, like Robby in the Sky with Diamonds said. Or else you just another Prick in the Wall. Stay the hell out of Drugistan, and Osamastan, like Robby said. Hey, Osama's dead, man. He was killed, while driving cab in Boston. The media is lying to you, man. The American Military is a drug running outfit, like Rob N was getting at. Like Jefferson Airplane said, the truth has come, to be lies. And can't you guys grow opium in Napa Valley like I used to do? The weather is great there, as any hippie will tell you. And hey: Tell your head dealer drug Obama to lay off. Since you guys invaded Afghanistan, the price of opium and doobies and hash pipes and roach clips has gone up higher than a biker chick on the weekend. I can barely afford to get stoned half the time. Sometimes, I'm so not-stoned that Rob makes sense. Peace, man.
-- January 8, 2010 8:44 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
The stated threat by O.B.L - and/or his associates and family (whether he is dead or not).. is that they hate the USA and wish "The Great Satan" destroyed. Regardless of the view on the Rich elite bankers, etc, which you mention.. this threat by these (OBL associated) people is real and not posed by the USA itself. You speak of "our soldiers" dying and take the view it is for a wrong cause, however, it is far more likely that by standing down from a war posture, America will encourage these terrorist elements to strike rather than discourage them from their war posture and make them into friends - because the enemy does not respect weakness. Therefore, in spite of your view from the "bankers" perspective, war is the right thing for America to do to defend her Homeland and it is not a "wrong cause" to defend herself. Perhaps there are those who wish to manipulate that defense of Homeland to their own will and benefit. However, you cannot taint the motives of those who are fighting this war on terror simply because there exists those who piggyback seeking their own profit onto the back of their defense work. (Ever seen the movie, "Lord of War?" - the rich elite you are concerned about are not the only ones seeking their own profit through war.)
If you wish to say those fighting nobly as best they can for the safety of their Homeland are fools because others in positions of wealth and power can move the entire structure to use them to weild their wicked wills.. I say that God is over all things and will work it to the good for those who are His in spite of the devil Himself having his aims in any military conflict.
If any schemes come to pass in the megapolitical arena.. it will also be because of God allowing it.. and I pray for His will all the time, whether the rich elite or the American military are the instruments of it, or He wills another will other than theirs to prevail. Pray it, my friend, "Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be Done.. on earth as it is in heaven. Amen." And if He uses good or evil men to accomplish His will it does not matter.. so long as it is His will. And what has happened to Iraq has been His will, I am sure of that... as is the revaluation of the Dinar. Since you obviously don't think it is God's will, perhaps it is as well you are getting out of it.
Sara.
-- January 9, 2010 3:29 AM ∞
wrote:
I think it's fair to say, from his comments, Rob N distrusts America, his own country, and thinks those in America with money and power, are more of a threat to the world, than are terrorists who have publicly stated they wish to destroy America. Nothing wrong with that opinion, long as he knows it's an opinion, not a fact. It is valuable to have many perspectives on reality, even if many of them turn out to be wrong. Everyone has their opinion, but only God knows what will actually happen in the future. Humans don't. Any reasonable person can have an opinion. But any person who states categorically that they know all the relevant facts, including all motives of the supposed hidden, ultra-powerful elite, and knows 100%, for certain, exactly how things will turn out in the future, is a fool.
-- January 9, 2010 10:34 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
The rich elite have been with us for a long time.
King David wrote:Psa 73:12 Behold, these are the ungodly who prosper in the world, they increase in riches.
Psa 73:8 They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
Psa 73:17 I went into the sanctuary of God; then I understood their end.
Psa 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from You shall perish:
Psa 73:19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.He then laments his own ignorance that he was looking at THEM and not from God's perspective:
Psa 73:21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.
Psa 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before You.It is well not to be dismayed and to look to the Righteous Lord:
Psa 11:1 In the LORD put I my trust: how is it that you say to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain?
Psa 11:2 For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may secretly shoot at the upright in heart.
Psa 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Psa 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
Psa 11:5 The LORD tries the righteous: but the wicked and him that loves violence his soul hates.
Psa 11:6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
Psa 11:7 For the righteous LORD loves righteousness; his countenance beholds the upright.In the end, we are not to run away, but look to God.
They may indeed have plans.. but God's will is what will prevail.
And He is righteous and good, even through the dark times.. seeking peace and not evil for His people.Sara.
-- January 9, 2010 2:42 PM ∞
sam wrote:
I have found on the actual Warka Bank website that the Al-Warkaa Bank is not affiliated with the actual bank.
Here is the website to look at this http://www.warka-bank.com/inner.php?type=3&id=31. I think I would read alot before I sent my money to them. After reading this I went to the Al-warkaa Bank website and it is real interesting but I am still skeptical about it. On there they try to sell you on different ways that you can become rich. I would do more research before I sent any information to these people. Good luck.-- January 11, 2010 9:52 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
The elite including our very own industrial military complex is using our soldiers in a campaign to usher in global governance; the war on terror is the cover. Since GWB with CIA opperatives orchestrated 9-11 we have seen an attack on our civil liberties. The Patriot Act is an attack upon our freedoms guaranteed by our constitution. Another breech of our freedom is embodied by the TSA. Forcing members of the flying public to remove shoes, belts, and patted down is a form of unreasonable search and seizure. This is an overt violation of the 4th amendment.
I do trust this wicked and evil government comprised of eugenicists who in a worse manner than Saddam Hussein. Saddam may have used a noxious gas to poison his people but this government through the American Medical Association and the Food adn Drug Administration poisons its own pople slowly with hormones in our dairy products, cloned meat, and with medically corrupt vaccines. I think the example of the Tuskegee Airman warrants a distrust of this government.
Nouri Al-Malki like the Shaw of Iran is a corrupted U.S. puppet. I saw today an article about the potential overthrow of Al-Malaki. In order to stop global governance the people of Iraq, Iran, Yemen, and other middle eastern nations must decide their own destiny. Iran decided its destiny by installing a theocracy to rule it people.
A spirit of militant nationalism will rise in Iraq and its people may decide to elect new leaders or like Iran install a theocracy to rule its people. The Iraqi's must take a hold of their destiny and expell the U.S. immediately and decide for themselves what form of government to install. This attempt by the U.S. to covertly topple the Iranian government through internal destablization will fail. Just as Iraq has a right to determine its own destiny so does Iran.
The G.I. Joe currently in Iraq and Afghanistan are pawns of our own industrial military complex. Just like the average American the kids we send off to war have been lied to about this war on terror. Our national treasure has died in Iraq because of oil and they continue to die in Afghanistan is for control and the distribution of opium.
I guess the reverened Wright was correct in his diatribe damning America. I too join the chorus and damn America because of its overt destruction of our freedoms. I damn America because our government chose to kill 12,000 people on 9-11 in a staged attack to justify a war that does not exist. I damn America because it allows war criminals like George W. Bush and Barack Hussien Obama to invade and loot sovereign nations. I damn America because our soldiers invade Iraq at the behest of our industrial military complex and our soldiers rape that nations indegious women. I damn America because freedom of the press is dead in America. All that is offered to its citizens is propaganda. I damn America because freedom of speech is dead. Harry Ried will be forced to resign once Obamacare passes because of comments made about Obama.
Sara, you speak about God's will and perhaps God has had enough of the evil that exist in this country. Perhaps God will damn America and plunge this nation into the abyss through a total collapse of our monetary and fiscal policies. Perhaps he will damn America through plague, famine, and disease. All I know is this is not the America of Washington, Adams, and Jefferson; instead, it has morphed into an Amerika that looks like Hitler, Lennin, and Stalin.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 11, 2010 4:00 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi Rob N.
Wow, where did you come from?
I don't know much about your life, but I know you have been on this pages for a long time.
You're an icon here, and suddenly you are acting out exactly the same stuff that we all used to laugh our lips off, when some space walker comes along and describe how things "really" works, on these pages.
Rob N. take a chill pill, take a breather, I don't know what or whom's been feeding you crap, but whatever came out of it, you ended up a miserable being after accepting that shit.
Whatever or whoever is feeding you, you ended up hating people and things.
It's not whatever or whoever is feeding you, it is you, that accepted the feed.
You are the only one that can reverse it, don't accept crap that will bring you down to a miserable hateful being.
Go back to your sources and give them bumperstickers, that shows them you are not hateful, but full of game.
They should say: -"JOIN THE DARK SIDE...we have cookies".
-- January 12, 2010 10:16 PM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
Hey, Rob.
So, ah, i've been catching up on the forums since returning from the "frozen land."
...I have airline miles, lots of them, and i'd share them with you.
Why don't you come to Seattle for the weekend?
I'll get you drunk as shit, AND, I got a new 34 ton log splitter we can try to break.
It would be better if we didn't talk dinar around my wife, for my sake.
Hey Roger.
Earl-- January 13, 2010 12:43 AM ∞
Al Koholic wrote:
My friends say I'm a problem drinker....no way.....I drink.....I get drunk......NO PROBLEM!
-- January 13, 2010 1:47 AM ∞
Al K wrote:
Rob N has been a steady source of sanity the 2 years I have followed this site. He changed the last 2 weeks. Maybe Rob N has been pulling off a massive bullshit job on this site? Maybe he was bored and needed entertainment. Maybe he conned everyone into believing some BS he doesn't even believe......if he did, well done.....Or maybe he really does believe what he wrote the last 2 weeks....Which is it, Rob?
-- January 13, 2010 2:05 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Al K
I am not a BS'er. I assure you my shift in paradigm is real. In my view, the Dinar is a scam, rouse, and hoax in the sense that I buy Dinar for $1,000.00 and it will revalue 1,000%. According to the CBI website there are 42 trillion Dinar in circulation; Iraq has recently taken a 7 trillion Dinar loan from the IMF. The amount of currency and debt far exceeds the countries GDP. These imbalances can only lead to a devaluation of the currency since the Dinar is not tied to assets of intrinsic value.The current notes in circulation are merely inflationary notes. Iraq has repeated its stance that it will lop its currency. This is one method to reduce its current money supply. Another method is to wait to join the GCC. Since the country does not produce enough oil to tie its currency to the passage of the HCL will continue to sit in Parliament. Rationally speaking with 42 trillion Dinars in circulation Iraq can never produce enough oil to warrant the mythological revaluation.
I believe the current managed rate of 1170/1 will be the rate for the forseeable future. I am not ruling out an upswing to 1000/1. Iraq cannot and will not move the rate further than 1000/1 because it is not economically feaseable for them to do so.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 13, 2010 10:26 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Earl,
Visiting Seattle sounds good; but I do not drink to the point of getting drunk. Don't worry not a word about the Dinar.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 13, 2010 10:28 AM ∞
seadesk from Seattle wrote:
seadesk-at-mac.com
-- January 13, 2010 1:14 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
I have to respond to you publicly as you posted so.
I was going back thru the posts and saw one which must have been caught in the filter and so posted later in which you vehemently damn America over and over again. You wrote, in part:I guess the reverened Wright was correct in his diatribe damning America. I too join the chorus and damn America because of its overt destruction of our freedoms. I damn America because our government chose to kill 12,000 people on 9-11 in a staged attack to justify a war that does not exist. I damn America because it allows war criminals like George W. Bush and Barack Hussien Obama to invade and loot sovereign nations. I damn America because our soldiers invade Iraq at the behest of our industrial military complex and our soldiers rape that nations indegious women. I damn America because freedom of the press is dead in America. All that is offered to its citizens is propaganda. I damn America because freedom of speech is dead. Harry Ried will be forced to resign once Obamacare passes because of comments made about Obama.
Sara, you speak about God's will and perhaps God has had enough of the evil that exist in this country. Perhaps God will damn America and plunge this nation into the abyss through a total collapse of our monetary and fiscal policies. Perhaps he will damn America through plague, famine, and disease. All I know is this is not the America of Washington, Adams, and Jefferson; instead, it has morphed into an Amerika that looks like Hitler, Lennin, and Stalin.
==end quote==
I believe that from an experiential point of view, God's JUDGEMENT or chastisement and God's damning can appear to be the same. What we are seeing happen is God's Judgement.. his chastisement on His people and Judgement on those who are wicked. We are seeing God take His hand off of America and allow evil upon her as we have not seen before. For my part, I have NOT desired this day:
Jer 17:16 As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow You: neither have I desired the woeful day; You know it: that which came out of my lips was right before You.
I do not desire this woeful day, and I have often cried tears before the Lord concerning it. I wish only good and favor (ultimately) for the USA. God has assured me that He is not finished with the US.. that this is not toward Her destruction, but improvement. While you may be angry about the few things you see wicked people doing based from the US and using worldly power, God sees so much more.. and I see only God's hand and will over it all.
Pro 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Obviously, America's ways do NOT please the Lord. And He has allowed enemies to rise up... these people you speak of who are attacking America's liberties are enemies.. and if the ways of the USA pleased the Lord, He would not allow their schemes to prosper, but He would thwart them. That He is not stopping them but allowing them to do what they are doing is not because they are so powerful, but because it suits His will for the USA. Why is that will not for good? Because the people's ways do not please Him and He wills to chastise them for allowing such wickedness.. using these people. These wicked people are like an AXE in the hand of the Lord, but who is it who weilds that axe? Who is it who lifts it up to chop? They have no power within themselves to do this.. it is the hand of God:
Isa 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against Him that hews with it? Or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shakes it? As if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.
No men can do this. Nor can mere men of themselves be prospered to do that which I have seen is coming. What I saw in the vision will come to pass. It cannot be thwarted because it is God's will. When it does happen, many, perhaps including you, will say it is God "damning" America as she deserves. Millions will die. I do not desire this. But I do see God's righteousness in bringing it.. as I am sure you do. I cry.. those who damn may rejoice. But all must agree.. God is just in judging so and allowing such evil, isn't He? Yet, the ultimate aim of God in such calamity is not the utter destruction of the USA, but I assure you it will feel like it is to those going through such horror and pain. And there will be many brave people needed to set things right in the aftermath when the enemies rise up from within and try to seize the country. They plot from outside and inside.. planning to attack from within, awaiting for when they get their orders. A sample:
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'Chilling' new video: How to slit throats
Jihad maneuvers taught at New York compound
Posted: December 15, 2009
By Bob UnruhJihad training video
A new video released by the Christian Action Network shows Muslim women at a compound in New York state practicing throat-slitting techniques and assault weapons attacks.
The video was distributed by the makers of the movie "Homegrown Jihad: The Terrorist Camps Around the U.S.," which documents how a jihadist group has developed dozens of training camps across the nation.
WND reported at the time how Jamaat ul-Fuqra has built 35 compounds – mostly in the northeastern corridor of the U.S.
Now the organization has posted on YouTube a "chilling" training video provided to CAN by an unnamed law enforcement source about the Muslims of America headquarters in Hancock, New York.
Muslims of America reportedly is the name Jamaat ul-Fuqra, believed to have been involved in the beheading of reporter Daniel Pearl, uses in the U.S.
The video includes segments of training exercises in which one person appears to practice a maneuver that would slit the throat of a victim. There are episodes of what appears to be automatic weapons fire at a target and incidents in which a handgun is held point-blank at a "victim's" head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebg6AFylios&feature=player_embedded
The video shows women marching in military formation, scaling walls, engaging in hand-to-hand combat and also reveals a Muslim confirming that the organization's own census revealed that Muslims are a majority in the United States and they are claiming it as their own.
The speaker states, "We are 100 percent sure that Muslims are the majority in America."
He continues, "Our Islamic political party has based its manifesto on this fact. We want to declare once and for all that America is our country."
According to CAN, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2005 warned about Jamaat ul-Fuqra, a Pakistani-based organization that "had the capacity to attack" America.
The U.S. State Department's 1998 "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report notes the organization "seeks to purify Islam through violence."
The report continued, "Members have purchased isolated rural compounds in North America to live communally, practice their faith and insulate themselves from Western culture. Fuqra members have attacked a variety of targets that they view as enemies of Islam."
CAN, led by Martin Mawyer, has researched Muslims of America for years and has provided its video to the FBI, State Department and Homeland Security.
To date, there has been no response from the government, the group said.
Mawyer told WND the political correctness America has adopted ultimately will be costly.
The hands of law enforcement and investigators are tied at this point, he said, because members of the organization are part of "a minority religion," "they are African-American" "and in this particular case, are women."
"Gilani has stated he is preparing his members to the Soldiers of Allah, and he's set up the most advanced guerrilla warfare training camps," he said. "He's being true to his word.
"If the evidence is right in front of our face and we have the words from the leader," Mawyer said. "I don't know how we continue to close our eyes and be blinded by such obvious affront to American values, the Constitution and our way of life."
The organization's "Homegrown Jihad" video includes a chilling scene of Jamaat ul-Fuqra's leader Sheikh Mubarak Gilani telling followers to "act like you're his friend. Then kill him."
According to the Religion of Peace website, there have been more than 250 jihad attacks by Muslims around the globe – including two inside the U.S. – in just the last two months.
The death toll from the attacks has surpassed 1,400, the report says.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119087
You may remember the porous borders that are being ignored, as well:
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Texas Homeland Security Chief: 'Terrorists Crossed Border' -- MSM Ignores News
By Warner Todd Huston
September 19, 2007On Sept. 13th, Texas Homeland Security Director Steve McCraw announced in a speech to the North Texas Crime Commission that Texas authorities had apprehended terrorist suspects who were sneaking across the Mexico/U.S. border. Shouldn't such a report be running through the MSM like wildfire? Yet, the MSM seems to be ignoring this explosive report with only local Texas news sources, a few Jihad watchers and bloggers having picked up the Director's statements.
The AP did have a report, shockingly enough, but few other MSM services seem to have found it as of yet... even though the story is about a week old.
DALLAS - Texas' top homeland security official said Wednesday that terrorists with ties to Hezbollah, Hamas and al-Qaida have been arrested crossing the Texas border with Mexico in recent years.
"Has there ever been anyone linked to terrorism arrested?" Texas Homeland Security Director Steve McCraw said in a speech to the North Texas Crime Commission. "Yes, there was."
The Director went on to name at least one name and make the clam that some 300 people possibly linked to terror or from countries where terrorism is endemic have been apprehended at the Texas border.
Here is the meat of the Director's comments:
McCraw identified the most notable figure captured as Farida Goolam Mahomed Ahmed, who was arrested in July 2004 at the McAllen airport. She carried $7,300 in various currencies and a South African passport with pages missing. Federal officials later learned she waded across the Rio Grande.
(O)n Wednesday, McCraw described Ahmed as having ties to an insurgent group in Pakistan and whose specialty was smuggling Afghanis and other foreign nationals across the border.
McCraw also said that since March 2006, 347 people from what he called "terrorism-related countries" have been arrested crossing the border in Texas. The number of Iraqis captured at the border has tripled since last year, he said.
"A porous border without question is a national security threat," he said.
Have the MSM simply decided that Director McCraw is just employing bombast to justify his government job? Have they decided his words are unimportant, without a national debate of his comments? Have the MSM collectively decided that the country doesn't need to hear this news?
Since most in the media are against the border fence, are they ignoring this story because it might strengthen public support for the fence being built?
It sure might seem so. A Google search of Director McCraw reveals quite a few Texas papers and TV stations reporting this week old news, but few national sources.
So why the news black out on this shocking story?
How will Obama rate on his national security agenda?
Will it be similar to that of his economic agenda?
As an indication, you may recall the recent views taken concerning the undie bomber and this revealed threat to the Homeland:===
Hundreds of Militants Planning Attacks From Yemen, Foreign Minister Says
Tuesday, December 29, 2009Hundreds of Al Qaeda militants are planning terror attacks from Yemen, the country's foreign minister said Tuesday.
Abu Bakr al-Qirbi appealed for more help from the international community to help train and equip counter-terrorist forces.
His plea came after an Al Qaeda group based in Yemen claimed responsibility for the failed Christmas Day airliner bomb plot.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, alleged to be behind the attempt to blow up an American-bound aircraft, spent time in Yemen with Al Qaeda and was in the country only days before the failed attack.
Al-Qirbi said: "Of course there are a number of Al Qaeda operatives in Yemen and some of their leaders. We realize this danger.
"They may actually plan attacks like the one we have just had in Detroit. There are maybe hundreds of them — 200, 300."
Al-Qirbi said it was the "responsibility" of countries with strong intelligence capabilities to warn states such as Yemen about the movements of terror suspects.
Click here to read more from the Times of London.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581370,00.html?test=latestnews
The rightwing is not the enemy, they are those who will stand against all enemies foreign and domestic.. and there are a growing number of both of these. Those who stand God will bless and give them the victory. But as I said, between now and that victory, millions will die. It will seem like your wish will come true. It will seem like God damns America... but He is not. He is using the evil to chastise the just, as He always does through history. Darkness comes because men fall asleep. It is dark now.. but it is about to become a lot darker before we see light.
I pray for those on the stage of this drama.. those called to defend America. Those who have been called to victory must first turn to the Lord for wisdom.. so they may act as He would will them to. We cannot afford mistakes when the stakes are so high. We are gambling everything. And in the end.. the right will win, the evil will be put down and the country will be at rest. I have seen this. God has shown me this. But that is not for 140 years from now. The eventual return to what we had before is not for a long time, and with much struggle. But the US will remain and be at peace, not war.. and prosper, again.. eventually.
Those who die will not do so in vain. The cause they fight (and some will die for) will prevail. America is not over.. it will rise up and those who wish her demise now will be thwarted in all their plans. Because America WILL look to God.. but what it takes to make Her look.. is devastating. The humility necessary cannot come but at a great cost.
I have wept many tears for what I saw.. and wished to be on the frontlines helping America. But the Lord told me to stand back. Do you honestly think mere human opponents could silence me? No, He told me to take a Sabbatical for this last year because He had other plans. He gave me to understand that it is like Aslan in "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe".. where the wolf was about to devour Peter's sisters and Aslan and the Narnians wished to move in to help finish off the wolf, but Aslan said, "No, stay your weapons, this is Peter's battle." And the wolf taunted Peter saying he was not a king, but that he would die.. and Peter slew the wolf. Then, after cleaning his sword of the blood, he was named by Aslan as Sir Peter Wolfsbane. This is what is happening. Americans are being called to stand and fight.. to win the honor and place which is ordained to be theirs as kings before the Lord Almighty. And I have a place, like the Narnians who wished to help, but for a year I was told to stand and watch, not comment. Others would rise up to win their places in time and eternity, and so many have. Those who are called are as Peter was before he slew the wolf, somewhat fearful and skittish still, but they have seen it needs slaying now and are not going to be timid or fear they will die, drawing back and letting the enemy win their Homeland away from them. They will fight and they will win. God will prosper them. It is a fight, but the cause is just and God will be with them as they look to Him.
It must be noted that when people ask "Where is God?".. in the illustration above, Aslan was standing right there watching the fight between Peter and the wolf. God is there, but when men are supposed to fight, He does not intervene. It was ordained of Him for Peter to fight. It was Peter's battle.. and this one is the US's battle. Also, note yesterday's interview between Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, which was instructive.
Only a year ago, he comments, he would not have believed what he has now been led to believe. And God, they agree, must be allowed to have His place in the lives of those who stand up in America to bring her back to where she is supposed to be, and where the (God- fearing) founders meant her to be.
It is not over.. it has just begun. Do not become so discouraged. America is not an evil country, founded upon Communism or an Islamic caliphate, with all that means for man's inalienable rights which have been given by God. God is not only in her documents, but in many, many hearts.. and He does not lose, nor do His people.. ultimately. Have a little more faith in the good will of God for America, and expect God to remove and cleanse the evil, not abandon His own. Be to her what God Himself ultimately is.. a friend and not an enemy. God will Judge and then Bless.. do not go against His will by damning America when God Himself has not willed to do so.
In Christ,
Sara.-- January 14, 2010 12:22 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Also of note from July 2007, as this has not changed:
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WaPo Lied - Iraq Al Qaeda Wants To Attack US
From the terrorist enabling Associated Press: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13435571/Report: Al-Qaida eyes Iraq ties for U.S. attack
Top U.S. security agencies highlight ‘persistent and evolving threat’WASHINGTON - The terrorist network Al-Qaida will likely leverage its contacts and capabilities in Iraq to mount an attack on U.S. soil, according to a new National Intelligence Estimate on threats to the United States.
The declassified key findings, to be released publicly on Tuesday, were obtained in advance by The Associated Press…
The report makes clear that al-Qaida in Iraq, which has not yet posed a direct threat to U.S. soil, could become a problem here.
“Of note,” the analysts said, “we assess that al-Qaida will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), its most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the homeland.”
The analysts also found that al-Qaida’s association with its Iraqi affiliate helps the group to energize the broader Sunni Muslim extremist community, raise resources and recruit and indoctrinate operatives — “including for homeland attacks.”
National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative written judgments of the 16 spy agencies across the breadth of the U.S. government. These agencies reflect the consensus long-term thinking of top intelligence analysts. Portions of the documents are occasionally declassified for public release…
The new report echoed statements made by senior intelligence officials over the last year…
===end quote==
Statements that apparently were never reported by our "watchdog media."
Instead we were treated to the thoughtful analysis of made up/anonymous “intelligence officials” such as these from the Washington Post:
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Al-Qaeda in Iraq May Not Be Threat Here
Intelligence Experts Say Group Is Busy On Its Home FrontBy Karen DeYoung and Walter Pincus
Sunday, March 18, 2007; A20Al-Qaeda in Iraq is the United States’ most formidable enemy in that country. But unlike Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda organization in Pakistan, U.S. intelligence officials and outside experts believe, the Iraqi branch poses little danger to the security of the U.S. homeland.
As the Democratic Congress continues to push for a military withdrawal, President Bush and Vice President Cheney have repeatedly warned that bin Laden plans to turn Iraq into the capital of an Islamic caliphate and a staging ground for attacks on the United States. “If we fail there,” Bush said in a February news conference, “the enemy will follow us here.”
Attacking the United States clearly remains on bin Laden’s agenda. But the likelihood that such an attack would be launched from Iraq, many experts contend, has sharply diminished over the past year as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has undergone dramatic changes. Once believed to include thousands of “foreign fighters,” it is now an overwhelmingly Iraqi organization whose aims are likely to remain focused on the struggle against the Shiite majority in Iraq, U.S. intelligence officials said…
AQI’s new membership and the allied insurgents care far more about what happens within Iraq than they do about bin Laden’s plans for an Islamic empire, government and outside experts said. That is likely to remain the case whether U.S. forces stay or leave, they added…
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Is it possible the Washington Post (and numerous other media outlets) lied to us in order to make Mr. Bush’s statements sound false?
Would they do that?
Previous articles:
AP: It’s Harder/Easier For Al Qaeda To Attack US
Anonymous Sources: Al-Qaeda Is As Strong As Ever
Key Judgments From The National Intelligence EstimateThis article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Tuesday, July 17th, 2007.
Comment:
doingwhatican
July 17th, 2007 at 6:16 pm“The terrorist network Al-Qaida will likely leverage its contacts and capabilities in Iraq to mount an attack on U.S. soil, according to a new National Intelligence Estimate on threats to the United States. ”
Well, damn, how much did the AP pay for this “intel”?
“The declassified key findings, to be released publicly on Tuesday, were obtained in advance by The Associated Press…”
The AP may as well write for the DNC. The point of their story is that Bush is either lying or incompetent, or both, neither of which are true. This is based on a leaked NIE report that has not even been finished and from which the AP is gaining highlights second-hand.
This is just sorry-ass journalism.
“National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative written judgments of the 16 spy agencies across the breadth of the U.S. government. These agencies reflect the consensus long-term thinking of top intelligence analysts.”
Jesus, are we in trouble.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/media-lied-iraq-al-qaeda-does-want-to-attack-us
“National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative written judgments of the 16 spy agencies across the breadth of the U.S. government. These agencies reflect the consensus long-term thinking of top intelligence analysts.”
Longer term thinking..
it's not over yet.Sara.
-- January 14, 2010 1:18 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Do not underestimate the American People.. many can see and are waking up.
===
Looming Disaster… Obama Approval Rating Slides to 45%
Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 5:23 AM
Jim HoftIt’s not just Scott Rasmussen, today Quinnipiac reported that Barack Obama’s approval rating has slid to 45% among registered voters dead and alive.
Via HotAir:
QUOTE:American voters are split 45 – 45 percent on whether Barack Obama’s first year in office is a success or failure and split 35 – 37 percent on whether the U.S. would be better off if John McCain had won the 2008 election, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released today. As he marks the first anniversary of his inauguration, President Obama’s approval has slipped slightly into an even 45 – 45 percent split for the first time. …
By a 47 – 40 percent margin, independent voters rate Obama’s first year in office as mainly a failure; 81 percent of Democrats say it’s a success and 75 percent of Republicans say it’s a failure. Men say failure 50 – 40 percent, while women say success 49 – 40 percent. White voters say failure 54 – 37 percent, while black voters say success 82 – 7 percent.
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Obama already had the lowest approval of any president at this point in their administration. Now this. It looks like the blind hopey-changers are in for a bumpy ride in the months ahead.
In related news, the White House said their policies strengthened America this past year.
How, by tripling the deficit?Comments:
1) Bill Mitchell
And WHY is the MSM taking their thumb off the scales and actually reporting Obama’s true Approval Rating?Couple possibilities:
1) When Congress passes Obamacare, they can overweight their samples again with Democrats and show a “fake” surge in support.
2) Same story with the SOTU address.
3) No one likes being bulls**tted and maybe even the MSM is tired of the pooh Obama is shoveling.2) 6Kings
Wow, the education system is really failing as evidenced by the 45% that still approve of this disaster. Seriously?!!!
3) RedBeard
6Kings hits one out of the park.
If we assume that only 20% or so of voters are actual leftists, how do we account for the additional support for Obama? Mass insanity? Willful ignorance? Sheer stupidity?
The support can’t come from people who are not deeply committed to the leftist agenda of trashing this republic, unless they are impaired in some manner.
4) Jamest155
I can’t believe obamas approval ratings are even this high. At this time in President George W. Bush’s presidency, President Bush’s approval rating was at 92 percent.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/looming-disaster-obama-approval-rating-slides-to-45/
-- January 14, 2010 1:31 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Not to sure where I got this from, www.usdebtclock.orgRealy big numbers and its going up at the rate of about $50,000 per second
-- January 14, 2010 4:04 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Not to sure where I got this from, www.usdebtclock.org
Realy big numbers and its going up at the rate of about $50,000 per second
-- January 14, 2010 4:05 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Interesting, Steve.. did you see this?
===
After Tripling Deficit in 2009 Obama On Track to Nearly Quadruple Bush Deficit in 2010
Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:04 PM
Jim HoftAlthough we didn’t see this reported in the state-run media… China View News reported today that the The U.S. federal budget deficit totaled 91.85 billion U.S. dollars in December. The deficit was slightly less than the 92 billion dollars that analysts had expected. But the red ink of the first three months of fiscal year 2010 beginning from October 2009 is 16.8 percent higher than the same period of the fiscal year 2009 when it hit a record 1.42 trillion dollars.
Considering these numbers it is likely that after tripling the US national deficit from the previous year in 2009, Barack Obama is on track to nearly quadruple the national deficit from 2008 when George W. Bush left office.
The Obama Disaster– picture (see link below)
Here’s a look at the US federal budget deficit:
US Federal Budget Deficit
Year Deficit
1996 -107
1997 -22
1998 69
1999 125
2000 236
2001 128
2002 -157
2003 -377
2004 -412
2005 -318
2006 -248
2007 -160
2008 -454
2009 -1,415
2010 -1,652 (estimated)Doug Ross has more numbers and predicts a budget deficit of $1.55 trillion this year.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/after-tripling-deficit-obama-on-track-to-nearly-quadruple-bush-deficit-in-2010/
-- January 14, 2010 5:16 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
And also of note:
===
2010 Expected to Be Record Year For Foreclosures as Obama Unemployment Rate Continues to Climb
Thursday, January 14, 2010, 4:46 AM
Jim HoftThis doesn’t look good…
2010 is expected to see a record number of foreclosures as the Obama unemployment rate continues to climb. One in 45 homes received a foreclosure-related notice in 2008 and more are expected this year due to the horrid economy and high unemployment.
The AP reported, via Free Republic:
QUOTE:A record 2.8 million households were threatened with foreclosure last year, and that number is expected to rise this year as more unemployed and cash-strapped homeowners fall behind on their mortgages.
The number of households that received a foreclosure-related notice rose 21 percent from 2008, RealtyTrac Inc. reported Thursday. One in 45 homes were sent a filing, which includes default notices, scheduled foreclosure auctions and bank repossessions.
In December, more than 349,000 households, or one in 366 homes, were hit with a foreclosure-related notice. That represents a 14 percent spike from November and a 15 percent jump from December 2008.
Banks repossessed more than 92,000 homes, up 19 percent from November. That increase was likely due to lenders working to clear their books at the end of the year, RealtyTrac said.
Stemming the tide of foreclosures is an important step for the real estate market and the economy to recover. Because foreclosures are usually sold at heavy discounts they can lower the value of surrounding properties. Cities lose property tax dollars from empty foreclosures and declining home values, straining local economies. Home prices have stabilized in some cities, but are still down 30 percent nationally from mid-2006.
The foreclosure crisis isn’t letting up. Between 3 and 3.5 million homes are expected to enter some phase of foreclosure this year, said Rick Sharga, senior vice president of Irvine, Calif.-based RealtyTrac, which began tracking the data five years ago.
==end quote==
Comments:
1) Michael
Obama’s failures are coalescing. As the Fed mumbles about tightening money supply, the housing market will retreat further and the banks will hold huge inventories of property. Government solutions only create worse problems. The outcome sure looks like either insolvency or hyper inflation – an economic collapse. Obama desires to remake America.
2) Betsy Ross
It appears that obama has written a new book yet to be released….the title:
Destroying Capitalism for Dummies
-- January 14, 2010 5:43 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
In only a year, the majority has somewhat caught up to reality.
Imagine if they knew a year ago all they know today..===
Majority Would Vote Against Obama
January 14, 2010
By Reid WilsonA year into his tenure, a majority of Americans would already vote against Obama if the '12 elections were held today, according to a new survey.
The Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll shows 50% say they would probably or definitely vote for someone else. Fully 37% say they would definitely cast a ballot against Obama. Meanwhile, just 39% would vote to re-elect the pres. to a 2nd term, and only 23% say they definitely would do so.
Obama's first year in office has been marked by an unemployment rate that surged to 10%, an increased commitment of troops to Afghanistan and a health care battle that has taken a serious political toll.
Obama's approval rating is down to 47%, the poll showed, a 14-point drop since the April survey. 45% disapprove, up 17 points from April. Only 41% say they trust Obama more than Congressional GOPers, while 33% pick the GOP over the WH. That 8-point gap is down from a 21-point edge Obama sported as recently as Sept.
Just 34% say the country is moving in the right direction, down 13 points since April, and 55% say it is off on the wrong track, up 13 points over the same period.
But as GOPers focus on taxes and spending, that message seems to be causing Obama the most harm. Among those who believe Obama's policies have moved the country in the wrong direction, 45% cite spending and government regulation as a top cause for their opposition.
Meanwhile, those who think Obama's policies are moving the country down the right track largely cite long-term benefits of his initiatives.
In the meantime, health care legislation is by no means popular. 44% said they support the legislation under consideration, down 5 points from the last poll in Sept., while 46% oppose it.
The poll, conducted by Financial Dynamics, surveyed 1,200 adults between Jan. 3-7 for a margin of error of +/- 2.8%.
For more on the Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll, see Ron Brownstein's take on a distrustful America and the withering green shoots after a year under the Obama admin. Full poll results are available here [pdf].
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/01/majority_would.php
-- January 14, 2010 6:12 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
I damn America because it is an evil nation with corrupt leaders. Since Regan the Neo-Con Fascists (including the Bildeberg group, Council on Foreign Relations, Industrial Military Complex, and big banks) have hijacked the executive branch. Through executive orders conducting wars without prior congressional approval. Through executive orders creating the REX 84 program, U.S. Patriot Act, and Czar prgrams. Geroge H.W. Bush beginning with NAFTA and GAT began the building blocks for a New World Order; the plan to result in a global government. Fast forward to 2010 and President Obama is pursuing this same neo-con facist agenda.
We are far beyond NAFTA and GAT; the powers that control the world are attempting to implement global governance by using the U.S. military. From my perspective, the Middle East is the last bastion of freedom and self-determination and is far outside the control of the neo-con masters. In an effort to gain control of the middle east and under the fakse guise of a war on terror we are witnessing an attempted coup of freedom and self-determination.
In spite of a middle east that wishes not to be colonized by America we pursue a foreign policy dictating the take over the middle east. The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan,and military action in both Pakistan and Yemen reminds me of Adolf Hitler's attempt to control all of Western Europe. As an observer, I am witnessing the U.S. invasion and looting of the middle east. The people of the middle east do not want our neo-con fascist democracy. What are deemed as terrorist attacks are retaliatory against the occupiers.
In Iraq and Afghanistan we are occupiers attempting to regin in a rogue people. Through the puppet governments of Al-Malaki and Karzai the U.S. can steal oil in Iraq and opium in the Afghanistan. Our U.S. soldiers are guilty of raping indeginous nationals in Iraq; these conquests are treated as the spoils of war. It is shocking that our military men are allowed to act in this manner and are free from reprisal. Since you will not believe me I encourage you to do your own research into this area. In Afghanistan the focus of our military there is to conduct, oversee, and act as the middle-man in the production and distribution of opium. This country produces 92% of the worlds opium and the U.S. is now involved in the routing of this opium to Mexican cartels.
Yes, I damn America because it no longer is the America of Washington, Adams, and Jefferson. It is no longer the America of Emerson, Thoreau, and Walt Whitman. It has morphed into a neo-con facist regime where abortion and eugenics are openly practiced. The American Medical Association and the Federal Drug Administration allow the American people to be experimented on. Rare diseases are induced into this people because of a morbid narcissism to see the effects of how these diseases ravage the body. The Eugenicists currently running these government agencies are the modern equivalent to Joseph Mangele.
I damn America because its these same Eungenicists who released the terrible A.I.D.S. virus upon the people of Africa esstentially annihilating an entire continent. Through bio-engineering and eco-engineering these same people want to reduce the worlds population from 7 billion to 500,000,000. Until they reach this number the rest of us will continue to be experimented upon through the various vaccines released. There will come a time that those of us who fail to follow the neo-con plan will be imprisoned and eventually discarded as the Jews were in Hitler's concentration camps.
This is how evil and how wicked these people are. I am chasitsed for damning America but America must be damned for freedom to rise again like the Phoenix she is. In my view, it is no more God bless America; but it is God bless freedom.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 15, 2010 6:27 PM ∞
wrote:
Rob N is now a hard-core liberal. Probably has lunch with Michael Moore, then dinner with his Hollywood friends.
-- January 16, 2010 6:54 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
What more can be said?
Rob N;
I wrote to you:
"America is not an evil country, founded upon Communism or an Islamic caliphate, with all that means for man's inalienable rights which have been given by God. God is not only in her documents, but in many, many hearts.. and He does not lose, nor do His people.. ultimately. Be to her what God Himself ultimately is.. a friend and not an enemy. God will Judge and then Bless.. do not go against His will by damning America when God Himself has not willed to do so."
Obviously, you don't wish to heed that advice.
Maybe our friend Roger in Iraq can respond to whether he sees the fellows he works with raping women in Iraq or not??
What more can be said?Sara.
-- January 16, 2010 8:22 PM ∞
wrote:
If Iraqi women are being raped, why is it not reported by Al-Jezeera, the Arab CNN?
-- January 16, 2010 9:47 PM ∞
wrote:
No one has refuted Rob N's economic arguments:
"According to the CBI website there are 42 trillion Dinar in circulation; Iraq has recently taken a 7 trillion Dinar loan from the IMF. The amount of currency and debt far exceeds the countries GDP. These imbalances can only lead to a devaluation of the currency since the Dinar is not tied to assets of intrinsic value.
The current notes in circulation are merely inflationary notes. Iraq has repeated its stance that it will lop its currency. This is one method to reduce its current money supply. Another method is to wait to join the GCC. Since the country does not produce enough oil to tie its currency to the passage of the HCL will continue to sit in Parliament. Rationally speaking with 42 trillion Dinars in circulation Iraq can never produce enough oil to warrant the mythological revaluation."
Does that mean he's right?
-- January 16, 2010 9:55 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
If I was liveing in a country that I was so dis chuffed withThen I would pack up and go live in another country
The Majnoon oil field is a super giant with over 30 BILLION barrels of oil
There are another 10 known giant oil wells, haveing more than 5 BILLION barrels of oil
Do the math on that lot at just $80 a barrel
When the whole country has been checked with modern gear the amount of oil will be shed loads more than the rest of the Middle East put together
Iraq will become the richest country in the world, no probs, well as soon as they can drag their heads out of their arses and stop killing each other that is
Now play nice boys and girls
-- January 16, 2010 10:33 PM ∞
wrote:
Doing the math: $80/barrel X 30,000,000,000 barrels = 2.1 trillion dollars U.S.
10 giant oil wells X 5 billion barrels of oil X $80 U.S./ barrel = 400 billion, or .4 Trillion
2.1 Trillion + .4 Trillion = 2.5 Trillion U.S. Dollars
-- January 16, 2010 11:03 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
The 10 giant fields have at least 5 billion barrelsI think 10 X 5 = 50 at $80 a go 50,000,000,000 barrels x $80
Total of a min of 80 billion barrels from only 11 wellsAnd one company is drilling 100 wells this year
Plus there are many more oil comps going to be drilling very soon
-- January 17, 2010 3:14 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
I am more conservative than most of you so calling me a liberal and associating me to Michael Moore is stupid. When one does not have a valid counter argument the tendency is to offer a statement without any relevance. This AmeriKa is following a neo-con fascist agenda with the purpose of initiating global governance. Obama while dressed in liberal garb is following the same foreign policy of these fascist. The peoples of the Middle East do not want to participate in the neo-con visions of a global government. The War on Terror is a manipulation by this neo-cons to instill fear to gain consent of the American populous. An executive order authorizing the invasion and looting of Iraq in lieu of a Congressional declaration of war is illegal. Next, the U.S. Patriot Act has brought us to a Constitutional crisis. Now, the TSA at airports accross this country can view your nude body under clothes. The Constitution is being tattered and torn in front of you and the answer is to call me liberal. You people are impotent and powerless as you succumb to the fear and wave your rights.
My damnation of this neo-con fascist AmeriKa is a prelude to what is on the horizon. As China and other nations stop buying U.S. treasuring the continued monetization of debt is not an option. The U.S. cannot continue to pay the interest on this debt. Currently, the Fed and Government is doing everything they can to stop the coming correction; it cannot be stopped Expect a total dollar collapse. In this process the USD looses its world reserve status. Expect power outages and food shortages. All of this will spark civil unrest. This unrest will prompt the activation of NORTHCOM and with the repeal of Posse Comitatus it is conceivable that AmeriKan troops will fire upon its own people. The dissenters will either be killed or placed into FEMA camps where endoctrination and extermination will occur. This nation will be cast down like Satan out of heaven into the third world and we will witness the rise and the supremacy of China.
Now to Iraq, concerning the raping of Iraqi women I suggest you google it and do your own research. I believe it to be true. In researching this topic I found our U.S. soldiers have a habit of raping indigenous nationals. In Korea, our soldiers committed heinous crimes against humanity and this incarnation of the military is no different.
It is an error in monetary and fiscal understanding to argue its currency can be tied to future oil production as justification for a revaluation or reversion. If true, a revaluation by the CBI should have already occured. Since a revaluation or reversion has not occured we know this argument is invalid. Iraq only produces 2.5 million barrels of oil a day; this amount does not warrant a revaluation or passage of HCL. This amount of oil cannot support the 42 trillion Dinars in circulation. The oil minister has repeatedly made the assertion Iraq will increase its prodution to 10 to 12 million barrels per day in the future. Sadly, Iraq will continue to increase its money supply as its oil production increases. In this scenario, 10 to 12 million barrels is not enough to offset this increase in monetary supply.
The CBI through 2008 has made their intent clear; the current currency in circulation will be lopped. A three zero lop will reduce the amount of currency in circluation from 42 trillion dinars to 42 billion dinars. In practical terms if you have 20,000,000 dinars after the three zero lop you now have 20,000 dinars; with 1 to 1 parity to the USD the total is $20,000 usd. In my view, this is a realistic conclusion to this investment. On the other hand, Iraq may wait until they join the GCC and allow the collective to bear the cost of the new currency. Currency speculation in the Iraqi Dinar is dead.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 17, 2010 3:16 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Try newsletter@oilvoice.com
Then select region, middle east
Always a good read
-- January 17, 2010 4:51 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Here we go again, try, http://oilvoice.com/open/-- January 17, 2010 4:54 PM ∞
Anonymous wrote:
"It is an error in monetary and fiscal understanding to argue its currency can be tied to future oil production as justification for a revaluation or reversion. If true, a revaluation by the CBI should have already occured. Since a revaluation or reversion has not occured we know this argument is invalid."
Really, you know that argument is invalid.. simply because it hasn't happened yet?
Interesting.
Logical.. or dispairing and giving up.
I'll go with giving up.
-- January 17, 2010 9:49 PM ∞
wrote:
Rob N wrote "This nation will be cast down like Satan out of heaven into the third world and we will witness the rise and the supremacy of China."
Rob, you just destroyed your own argument, without even seeming to notice what you were doing. First you say neo-con fascists are going to install world government, and take over the world. Then you say China will take over the world. Which is it? Amerika? China? Or Amerika then China? Will there be a battle for supremacy between Amerika and China? If China is going to take over the world, when will this happen?
And you say "This nation will be cast down like Satan out of heaven"....how do you know that? That sounds like something from the Old Testament. That sounds like you have been speaking with the supernatural, for mortals can't know the future, can they? Not unless they hear the voice of God. Did God speak to you personally? What did He say?
Is this a biblical prophecy? Which verses? Is there a mark of the Beast in this story?
-- January 17, 2010 10:19 PM ∞
J.T. Baptiste wrote:
Revelation 12:7-9:
"And there was war in heaven: Michael Moore and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."-- January 17, 2010 10:34 PM ∞
NEIL wrote:
I have to say that RobN has come around to my way of thinking in many areas. I too, think that the USA has charted a course that will lead to disaster. The national debt has risen to a level that is beyond the average persons comprehension and we are continuing to borrow at an unbelievable rate.
I believe that Obama has an agenda for the USA that does not include white people. We are being brainwashed by TV as you will notice that on almost all programs that a black person is in charge. All the judge shows have mostly mixed couples. Obama will eventually take the wealth from whites and give it to blacks with the justification that they would have wealth had they not been denied the opportunity. I know this kind of talk is taboo but our failure to address it will be our downfall. We are going to sit idley by and watch our heritage, wealth, freedom and country go down the drain, but we will be politically correct and admired by the extreme left.
A family can get so deep in debt that it cannot work hard enough on long enough to get out of debt. This country is pursuing that same scenario. We can't slow down our borrowing, much less pay anything back. We now hav a mentality of feasting on a dying carcass-get all you can while there is still something to get.
I have 23 million dinars and I am going to hold on to them and see what happens. In the worse case I should be able to get back something near my original investment.
-- January 17, 2010 11:40 PM ∞
Pants on fire? wrote:
I think Rob N is lying about selling his Dinars. He may have had an about facing in his thinking about the world. That's believable. Nothing wrong with that. That's just a sign of a brain that is still thinking, able to absorb new information, come up with new interpretations of the world. Although I completely disagree with his views, he states them succinctly and well. And he can think openly enough, and have an unprejudiced mind to come up with a new view. Very, very admirable.
But I think he is lying about selling Dinars. Here's why: He's smart enough to hold strong opinions, and open minded enough to know he could be wrong. That's reflected in the fact that he changed his thinking in a major way! That proves he KNOWS he could be wrong. He knows, if he is wrong, and he sells them, then if the Dinar revalues, and he loses millions of dollars, he will never be able to live with himself.
Someone here gave sensible advice, only invest what you can lose. If Rob invested his life savings here, he was reckless and foolhardy. If the Dinar doesn't work out, he deserves to lose every penny. I doubt he put all his eggs in one basket. He may sell some of his Dinars, to reduce his risk, and get back some of his capital investment, but I think he will keep some, in case he's wrong.
He's not such a fool as to be so convinced of his beliefs that he is 100% sure of what will happen in the future.
Or am I wrong? I think you are a liar Rob. You said you would sell all your Dinars. If I am wrong, I apologize, but first tell me you sold them....and besides, why does Rob keep posting? Because he is interested in this whole thing. Because he has changed his views. And because he is lying, and a tiny part of him believes it just MIGHT work out, so he's hanging on to a few Dinars, and is keeping in the picture. Your words say you are selling the Dinars. Your actions of staying on this site say you are holding on to a few of them. I believe actions more than words. I believe what Rob does, but not all of what Rob says.
So I believe Rob changed his views. But I believe he lied when he said he was selling all his Dinars.
I think you lied Rob.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
-- January 18, 2010 1:45 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
A soldier who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.. no mention of raping the women in this one, Rob N:
===
US soldier returns to Haiti to help, finds family
By KEVIN MAURER, Associated Press WriterPORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Junior Florestal left Haiti when he was 13 for a better life in the United States. He long promised to return, but it took an earthquake to bring him back.
"I'd always wanted to come," the 33-year-old U.S. Army staff sergeant said Sunday. "But I didn't want to come in this way."
Florestal is one of at least three Haitian-American paratroopers in the 82nd Airborne Division helping get sorely needed food, water and supplies to survivors of the magnitude-7.0 earthquake that shattered this capital city last Tuesday. His unit learned it would leave the following day, giving Florestal hope he could both bring aid and track down dozens of relatives living in Port-au-Prince and in villages surrounding the capital.
"I was ready to go that day," he said. "When I was watching it on TV in the States, I couldn't wait to get back here and help out."
Florestal joined the Army in 1996 and has served twice in Iraq and once in Afghanistan. Trained to be a cook, he's fluent in Creole. Since arriving Saturday, he has been translating for officers who coordinate relief efforts from the division's base on a hillside golf course.
"It helps to have someone with a similar background," said Capt. John Hartsock, who has been overseeing food distribution with the Fort Bragg, North Carolina-based division.
Quake survivors implore the soldiers in halting English for more food and water and for medical help. Florestal responds in Creole — and surprised Haitians waiting in lines slap him on the back and shake his hand.
"They feel good that there are Haitians in the U.S. Army," he said.
When Florestal hasn't been working as an interpreter, he's been asking quake victims if they have any information about his family. On Saturday, he walked up and down a makeshift barricade, questioning those waiting in line for food.
Amazingly, he found one of his cousins, who told him most of his family survived.
Later, he called his mother, who had been crying and still unable to reach any relatives in Haiti from her Orlando, Florida, home. She was overjoyed to hear that her sister and brother were alive, he said.
Florestal remembers a pleasant childhood in Haiti, growing up near a beach. Two decades later, he's returned to a place that's tough to recognize.
On Saturday afternoon, Florestal went with a group of paratroopers to another part of the golf course to walk through a tent city of 50,000 people that had formed since the quake. Survivors sat in the shade of trees and under makeshift tarps.
In one thicket near a fairway, the Haitians set up a hospital. Children lay on ratty mattresses, bandages on their heads stained with blood. Nearby, a woman had an exposed wound the size of frying pan on her back.
In the neighborhood next to the golf course, the school collapsed, leaving nothing but a pile of cinderblocks. Power lines dip down in the middle of the street. A lamp pole blocked a road.
Florestal said serving in Haiti has become a personal mission.
"I just want to help everybody, family or not," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100118/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_haiti_paratrooper_returns;_ylt=Ahe6e2CHAv2uCKmvV6mHJScb.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTNobjEzdWx0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMTE4L2NiX2hhaXRpX3BhcmF0cm9vcGVyX3JldHVybnMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdXNzb2xkaWVycmV0
-- January 18, 2010 12:59 PM ∞
wrote:
Rob N said: "In Korea, our soldiers committed heinous crimes against humanity and this incarnation of the military is no different".
I have been to Korea. I know Koreans. Many young Koreans would agree with Rob. They say Amerika is occupying their country and some women have been raped and Amerika is an imperialistic occupying power and is unwelcome. The older generation of Koreans disagree, and want the Amerikans to stay.
I once talked to a bright young Korean who agreed with Rob's view. He thought Amerika should leave his country This is what I told him:
"You are a democracy. Hold a vote. Ask the people if Amerika should leave. If they say yes, then your leaders should tell Amerika to leave. But think before you act: You are getting rich. A generation ago your country was at the economic level of a poor African country. Your new wealth is a miracle. Thanks to your hard work, and capitalism and protection by America, you developed your country, are getting rich, and are now making cars and computers, instead of just rice. But go ahead, ask Amerika to leave. Koreans should have a vote on it, and make it public. But bear in mind that North Korea and the North Korean Army, with 1 million soldiers, is only a little over an hours drive to Seoul, isn't it?. They are testing nuclear weapons and we both agree their leader is a mentally unstable lunatic, and an absolute dictator with a cult of personality. Would you like him as your ruler? Or are you willing to fight him if his army invades? Bear in mind that North Korea has made it clear they would like to invade your country. There is an army of one million soldiers in North Korea with nothing to do, and who are trained to go to war with the South. North Korea is poor. Poor people sometimes get jealous. They have guns. You have money. They might steal your wealth. Are you prepared to risk that? North Korea claims it is the legitimate capital of a united Korea. Many in the South disagree. Without American troops, there will be a war. Your are young. You are male. You will fight that war......America has spent billions on your defense, over decades. If Amerika leaves, you will pay that bill for defense. You will serve in the South Korean Army to protect against invasion. You might die. Are you willing to pay that price? Before you answer, go talk to your grandparents. They remember the Korean War. They remember poverty"
Once I told him this, his foolish enthusiasm for opposing so-called "imperialistic Amerika" as he put it, severely diminished, and he went back to his high paid job as an engineer, and back to his family that evening.
-- January 18, 2010 3:49 PM ∞
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1007608204974952807#docid=5403216928031479353
-- January 18, 2010 10:16 PM ∞
Steve wrote:
Gulf Keystone Reports Significant Increase in Reserves for Shaikan Discovery in IraqShaikan--1 has been independently evaluated by Dynamic Global Advisors ("DGA")
Tested to a depth of 2,950 meters
The previous estimates were 1.9 billion barrels of oil
And with potential of a total of 13 billion barrels of oil
So this is the increase of oil in just one well tested with modern gear
So thats another Super Giant oil well, how many more do you think there will be
Check on the oil voice site under the Middle East section
The people that are getting all wound up with the amount of dinars in use today
Its a no bigie, wait untill all of Iraq has been tested with modern gearThe saying that Iraq is floating on a lake of oil is proving to be right
OK boys and girls lets keep playing nice, as we have done for a while now
Have a nice day and stay lucky, Steve.
-- January 20, 2010 8:03 AM ∞
Sara. wrote:
52% SCOTT BROWN (R) 1,153,808
47% MARTHA COAKLEY (D)D: 1,052,391Peter slays his first enemy, the wolf.
But the final battle is yet in the future when all the Narnians must rise up and fight for their country against the hags, black dwarfs and the wicked witch herself.
Good first round, though.Sara.
-- January 20, 2010 9:14 AM ∞
RON wrote:
Steve thank you for that very good info.
GOD BLESS US ALL AND IRAQ.-- January 20, 2010 9:38 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
All,
Sorry, I have been out of pocket for the last few days due to illness. I see not one contradiction in my previous post. Instituting global governance requires the assimilation of the middle east and their assimilation cannot occur overnight. While a war wages for control of those nations and their resources our own economy will continue to decline as Barnanke, Geithner, and Obama continues to monetize a growing debt.
Since our currency is not commodity based increasing the monetary supply through unregulated printinig combined with a GDP produced only by consumer spending creates an imbalance in the economy leading to default on outstanding U.S. debt and eventually a devalued currency. Because of our monetary and fiscal problems replacing the USD as the world reserve currency is likely. In my mind, the only currency strong and healthy enough to replace the USD is the Chinese Yuan. China while limiting the amount of U.S. securities is seeking to buy an additional 93 billion dollars worth of gold.
My statements about the raping of women in Iraq are true regardless of whether you wish to believe them or not. For your reference please see the following links: http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm and http://www.aztlan.net/nineyearoldrapevictim.htm. Here is another source: http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm and http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5529884. I am not sure how many must be posted.
Concerning American Soldiers in Korea it is also true they committed heinous crimes against those people. I have enclosed the following link http://www.iacenter.org/Koreafiles/ktc-civilnetwork.htm. One other should suffice, www.democraticunderground.com. In this article a U.S. Soldier is given four years for raping an elderly Korean. It sickens me those that defend this military in light of such atrocities. Our military industrial complex commanded by neo-con fascist should be tried as war criminals and have the same fate as Saddam Hussein.
Someone on this board said I lied about dumping my Dinars. No, I am not lying I have dumped my dinars because this investment as I see it is dead. The current notes in circulation are transitory notes and will be changed. All through 2008 the CBI stated these notes were to be lopped. If I have 10,000,000 dinars and Iraq lops the currency I now have 10,000 dinars. In a 1-1 parity with the dollar I have $10,000.00 USD. There is not an advantage to holding this currency.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 21, 2010 12:52 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Anonymous,
The Korean people should not have to vote whether an occupying force draw down or not; that is like asking Holland to vote whether they wanted their Nazi occupiers. The U.S. should leave Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan immediately.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 21, 2010 2:33 PM ∞
Youmustbejoking wrote:
Rob N, your views are pretty reckless, IMHO... You don't mind if North Korea invades the south, killing possibly millions of Koreans? You don't care if the U.S. leaves Iraq before it can protect itself, and Iran invades, like they did 20 years ago, and brutalizes the people of Iraq, and steals their oil? You don't care if America leaves Afghanistan, and the Taliban and Al Queda set up shop, get ahold of a nuke, and blow up New York, killing thousands of your fellow Americans, like they say they intend on doing?
From the sounds of your previous answers, I am guessing you would blame America for all that happening anyway, wouldn't you?
Wow, doing what you say they should do would lead to a lot of cruelty and genocide....No thanks. I have too much respect for human rights to buy your point of view. You can hold those views if you'd like. Just don't deny the logical consequences of those views, if they were implemented in our real and imperfect world. Don't deny that the actions you suggest would lead to mass murder. And try not to be holier than though in thinking your point of view is somehow so special and pure, it would lead to peace. It wouldn't. It would lead to greater violence, not less. That's why your views are immoral.
-- January 21, 2010 9:30 PM ∞
wrote:
The Highest Authority
Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama go to heaven.
God addresses Al first. ''Al, what do you believe in?''
Al replies: "Well, I believe that I won that election, but it was your will that I did not serve. And I've come to understand that now.''
God thinks for a second and says, "Very good. Come and sit at my left.''God then addresses Bill. "Bill, what do you believe in?''
Bill replies: "I believe in forgiveness. I've sinned, but I've never held a grudge against my fellow man, and I hope no grudges are held against me.''
God thinks for a second and says, "You are forgiven. Come and sit at my right hand".Then God addresses Barrack. "Barack, what do you believe in?''
Barack immediately replies, "I believe you're in my chair."-- January 22, 2010 3:23 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
youmustbejoking,
I see you buy into the false left right paradigm manufactured by our media. Currently, the U.S. and its industrial military complex is in the midst of implementing a neo-con fascist agenda of global governance. I imagine the people of Iraq and Afghanistan feel the same as the people of Poland, Belgium, and Holland did as they watched Hitler's army invaded their country.
Iran for example, does not want our style of government; I think these people made that clear through the coup of the Shaw of Iran and the Iranian hostage crisis. Iran and Iraq were at war for 8 years and if you resarch the war you will find that our corrupt U.S. Government funded with tax payer dollars both Iraq and Iran hoping each would destroy the other. Your assertion that Iran invaded and Iraq was the helpless victim is fictitious. Iran has democratically elected a Theocracy as their chosen form of government. We do not have any right to dictate to a soveregin country what form of government to elect and whether that soveregin nation can pursue nuclear power? Our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan is an attempt at the institution of global governance but it is also a hijacking of these countries natural resources. It is my hope that all nations of the middle east will reject the illegal and immoral activities of our military in their attempt to initiate this neo-con fascist global government. I specifically applaud Iran for their resistance to the Great Satan (America) and her whore (Great Britian).
Evidence is quite clear that 9-11 was a government staged crisis to justify the invasion and looting of Iraq. Our government killed 12,000 people for Oil in Iraq. In Afghanistan we want control the harvesting, manufacturing, and distribution of Opium. Iraq and Afghanistan have now has a U.S. Government controlled puppet regime. Both Iraq and Afghanistan have a Rothchild controlled Central Bank. I believe the people of Iraq (like Afghanistan) will mimic their sunni brothers in Iran and eventually overthrow the American puppet regime. This form of government in Iraq is temporary.
I liken our U.S. military to a school yard bully. A typical school yard bully abuses weaker opponents. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iran are weaker opponents. An interesting observation about Iran though weaker they are not afraid of our military. The U.S. being a school yard bully avoids conflict almost in a cowardice fashion with those who are equal or stronger in size and strength. George W. Bush justifying an invasion and looting of Iraq cited Saddam's possession of WMDs; yet those same criteria did not apply to North Korea. If the Bush doctrine of foreign policy is to be equitably applied then U.S. troops should be in North Korea. The reason the U.S. opts for diplomacy concerning North Korea has to due with our fear of China. America as school yard bully understands China is of superior strength militarily and of rising strength economically. The U.S. Government avoids in a cowardly fashion conflict with China. I cannot wait to see what action the U.S. decides not to take once Taiiwan declares its independence from China.
A draw down in Iraq and Afghanistan serves two purposes; the U.S. cannot continue to monetize its debt. It is projected by the end of 2010 our debt will increase to 21 trillion dollars. Military spending must be reduced drastically in order to slow our current debt burden. Our own economics will eventually force us to withdraw from these two countries. On the horizon lurks massive inflation, default on this debt, and a formal devaluation of the dollar. Next, a draw down will force the peoples of these nations to choose their own form of government. For a nation that gives lip service to democracy our conduct in Iraq and Afghanistan contradicts our lip service.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 22, 2010 3:34 PM ∞
NEIL wrote:
Amen, RobN, very well said.
People in this country are apparently in denial over the national debt. We can either withdraw our troops from all these countries voluntarily or we can wait a while longer when we can no longer afford to keep them there. I am in favor of becoming somewhat of an isolated nation where we make what we need and import only luxeries and keep our nose out of other countries business. I am in favor of downgrading our military and building up our nuclear arsonal and daring anyone to invade us.
I am also against immigration unless it is someone who can contribute something. This once was a barren land and needed people of any description to occupy this vast country. We now have all the people that we need or that we can keep gainfully employed so why let anyone else in. Everyone coming in now is a drag on the economy.
How would we feel if the French got riled up and decided to take action against us over the way that we have treated black people and native Americans.
We cannot continue in our present mode. This country is now borrowing one half of everything that it spends. Why can't we take corrective action on our own without calamity dictating that we pull in our horns to survive.
We have always had poor people in this country who were proud and able to survive on less. Now we are promoting a memtality that everyone is entitled to first class healthcare, computers, cell phones, Ipods, autos and everything that only the more wealthy were able to afford.
It would be great if everyone could have everything that they wanted we can't afford it, a cold-hard fact of life.The pilgrims came up with the idea that everyone would bring their harvest to a central warehouse and everyone share equally because they all loved and respected each other. Soon, many of the farmers recognized that if they did not produce much that they would get as much as those who did. Many farmers stopped working and kept drawing there share until the producers woke up and stopped
bringing their harvest to the warehouse. The non-workers went back to work in order to survive. Hence, the idea evolved that this country would give you the opportunity to provide whatever you could for yourself and get help from your neighbor only if disabled or sick.-- January 22, 2010 10:45 PM ∞
R U kidding? wrote:
Rob N,
you say, "Iran for example, does not want our style of government".....sure they do, they just don't want to be dominated by America. In terms of rejecting forms of government, Iranians are not throwing out an American style of government. If Iranians are rejecting any style of government, it's not American style government they are rejecting. Instead, Iranians are rejecting their own style of government.
That's pretty obvious.
Where have you been? Don't you read newspapers? Iranians are trying to throw out the radical Muslims who now control their country, and the invade themselves into the personal lives of Iranians.
You are right that the theocrats were elected fair and square. However, Iran is changing. What seemed a good idea 20 years ago, to have religious leaders run the country, has turned into a nightmare. They want to throw the bums out, and have a more secular society, like America, where religion is influential, but not completely dominating everything.
Rob, you said "I believe the people of Iraq (like Afghanistan) will mimic their sunni brothers in Iran and eventually overthrow the American puppet regime."
Rob, get your facts straight before lecturing people. Iran is not a Sunni country. It's 90% Shiite, and only 9% Sunni.
Rob, you say "Our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan is an attempt at the institution of global governance but it is also a hijacking of these countries natural resources."....Rob, Afghanistan has no natural resources. And it has no oil. What are you talking about? Other than opium, which can be grown anywhere, Afghanistan has nothing to steal.
And do you drive a car? If you do you are a hypocrite.
Millions of people like you drive cars. If America invaded Iraq for the oil, which is likely, it is because millions of ordinary people like you demand gas for their cars. Governments respond to guys like you by invading countries for their oil. If oil stopped, America would come screeching to a halt immediately. The whole economy would collapse, including your job. You would have no job. That means you would have no money. You would have no food because all your food is grown using oil. Would you like your life without food, money and transportation? Don't think so.
The fact is, You, and people like you, are the reasons there are wars for oil. They are looking for oil for you, buddy, to keep your nice life going.
I'm sure you must know all that, and you know in your heart that you and people like you, including me, are the cause of all these problems, but rather than looking at yourself honestly, it's way easier to lay blame on some magical "neo-con conspiracy"
For a different perspective on all this, check out this video:
-- January 23, 2010 2:30 AM ∞
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-- January 23, 2010 10:07 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
You sure have a dilemma.
You appear to believe that the US is the "Great Satan" as do the extremist Islamic terrorists.
I think you must consistently act within your beliefs.
Since you think that the "fiat" money held by Iraq is wicked and a tool of this "Great Satan" plot, I can see why you are or have sold your Dinar. It is consistent with your beliefs.
Also consistent with your beliefs, you should stop using the United States currency since it is also part of this "plot" of the rich elite. And, to top it off, you should also move to a place outside of the "Great Satan" in order to avoid being associated with such a contamination. I suggest the "Democratic" country of Iran which you said so much in favor of of it as a "sovereign state" QUOTE: "Iran has democratically elected a Theocracy as their chosen form of government. We do not have any right to dictate to a soveregin country..." I am sure you will find it just as free and Democratic as the US, as you claim, and that they will welcome you with open arms.
Of course, your faith in Jesus Christ might make them call you an infidel. But that shouldn't matter if you don't join the demonstrators against the government. If they do arrest you for being a man of a different faith, your being a man means that you are not likely to be raped "to make you wicked" and then killed, as they do dissident women.. hopefully. But you must be careful since you are very outspoken when you oppose a government you are currently under. That behavior would have to change:
Iranian Regime Blames Student Protester For His Own Prison Rape
Wednesday, August 26, 2009The regime asked him embarrassing questions.
They asked him whether he enjoyed being raped.
The Los Angeles Times reported:
Iranian officials interviewed an alleged victim of jailhouse rape at the hands of security personnel. But instead of consoling him, they asked him embarrassing questions and blamed him for the violence.They said it was the young man's own fault for protesting the results of Iran's June 12 presidential elections, according to a fresh account of the alleged rape published on the website of a prominent reformist politician.
"I asked them why I and others were raped in prison," the young man says he asked two interrogators and a judge who had agreed to hear his story, according to the website of former parliamentary speaker Mehdi Karroubi.
One of the three replied, "'When the supreme leader confirmed the election result, everyone should have recognized it."
The young man's tale of rape, the latest in a series of gruesome stories emerging from Iran's detention centers, was published today on the website of Karroubi's political party, Etemad Melli. (The website is in Persian.)
The young man said he was raped by guards after being locked up in Tehran's now notorious Kahrizak detention center.
He said he was at first humiliated by the experience and suicidal, but was consoled by Karroubi, a cleric, who helped him regain his composure and self-esteem.
"He devoted himself like a psychiatrist to me to convince me that I was innocent," he said, according to the account. "He cited religious examples, and I was finally convinced that when someone is raped with his hands and feet tied is not a sinner and is on the contrary an oppressed."
On July 24, the alleged victim met with an official at the chief prosecutor's office, whom he described as respectful and sympathetic.
About four weeks later, the judge and two interrogators began cross-examining him, asking him to write down everything that had happened. They asked him embarrassing questions about the extent of penetration, and whether he enjoyed being raped.
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Hat Tip Winston
Posted by Gateway Pundit.Comment:
You have to understand that this type of rape would not be considered "homosexual" in Iran. To the Iranians mere sodomizing doesn't make you a homosexual, being homosexual is having a mental commitment to the male partner. This is why they asked the guy whether he "enjoyed" it. That would make him a homosexual.
Great country, huh. Thank god that according to PC their culture is equal to ours, eh? - John Smith 08.27.09 - 10:22 amhttp://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/iranian-regime-blames-student-protester.html
As you can see, disagreeing with an election result in Iran can put you in prison and also get you raped. But hey, you would be out of the "Great Satan".. so it would be worth it to you, wouldn't it?
As for me, I can still believe that my God can make even the wrath of man to praise Him and the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just.
Psa 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise You: the remainder of wrath You will restrain.
Pro 13:22 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.
I believe that my brethren in Jesus' time had unrighteous money, coins with the head of a secular ungodly man on them - Ceasar. But Jesus never told them to not use that "unrighteous mammon" of Roman currency but to use it to profit. It was the unrighteous servant who threw back at the Lord the talent's worth of gold the Lord had given him without gaining any greater valuation:
Mat 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew that You are a hard man, reaping where You have not sown, and gathering where You have not strawed:
Mat 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid Your talent in the earth: lo, there, have that which is Yours.
Mat 25:26 His Lord answered and said to him, You wicked and slothful servant, You knew that I reap where I do not sow, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27 You ought therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at My coming I should have received My own with usury.
Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it to him which has ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For to every one that has shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that has not shall be taken away even that which he has.
Mat 25:30 And cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Obviously, in this passage, a man was given wealth which could be placed with exchangers to gain usury. Jesus here says that is the least you can do with it, since the making of wealth is not seen as evil but as good stewardship and worthy of reward by God (see the ten talented servant).
Jesus in this passage was answering this man back out of his own confession, for obviously the Lord is not a "hard man, reaping where you have not sown and gathering where you have not strawed" as this man alleged (see Luke 19:22 where Jesus said, "Out of your own mouth will I judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, taking up that I did not lay down, and reaping that which I did not sow...) In the same way, I have also sought to answer your arguments within your own view in this post and contend to you that according to your stated view and acting consistently within it, you should be divesting from the Dinar and the US currency and be removing yourself from the "Great Satan" as being over you, as I stated above.
As for me, I will continue to do what I have been led to do and stay in this investment. If I gain by the revaluation, I will thank my God and use the resources He gives as He directs. For I believe that it is God who gives us the ability to gain wealth, and it is God who makes rich or poor.
Deu 8:18 But you shall remember the LORD Your God: for it is He that gives you power to get wealth...
1Sa 2:7 The LORD makes poor, and makes rich: He brings low, and lifts up.
Luk 16:9 And I say to you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness..
Therefore, I look to Him, even concerning this "unrighteous mammon" of what you call "fiat money" which is without intrinsic worth, perhaps.. but is the accepted medium of exchange and which, by buying at a certain time and selling at another, I might gain more money by it and so receive not censure but the approbation of the One who led me to buy it in the first place. Making another talent of gold (or fiat money) is hardly going to be seen by Jesus as unrighteous when he commends in Scripture those who do so with the monetary talents He grants to them in this life.
Sara.
-- January 23, 2010 12:50 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
While I cannot justify or condone any rape, committed by military or civilian people, it is not condoned by the Military itself and this report contrasting the military to the civilian statistics for rape states:
To place military rape rates in context, it is valuable to compare them with civilian rates. Comparisons of the crime rates of civilian and military populations during peacetime periods in 1986–92 reveal that contemporary peacetime rates of rape by American military personnel are actually lower (controlling for age and gender) than civilian rates.
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Let me quote that again.. peacetime rates of rape by American military personnel are actually lower (controlling for age and gender) than civilian rates.
While even ONE rape is seen as a sin and heinous crime, this statistic should be kept in mind.
The Historical context of it is also important, and the fact that no American command has condoned the practice. It is a fact of fallen human nature that such crimes are committed, and that it has happened throughout the history of warfare. But, the US military tries to keep it to a minimum within the ranks. Quote, "Rape by military personnel has been criminalized and carried serious penalties, including capital punishment, throughout American history."
Like the day when the world will be filled with peace and wars will have an end, so, too, we long for a time when no rape, military or civilian.. of male or female persons, will happen anymore.
Some context:US Military History Companion: Rape by Military Personnel
It has been notoriously common throughout the history of warfare, leading many to view rape as an inevitable concomitant of war. Gen. George S. Patton remarked during the American occupation of Morocco in 1942 that “in spite of my most diligent efforts, there would unquestionably be some raping.” In recent years, however, change has begun to be seen in American military attitudes and policy on rape. By the early 1990s, each service had announced a policy of “zero tolerance” of sexual assault or harassment by personnel. The long-term effects of such policy change remain to be seen. Relatively little is known about the actual historical incidence of rape by American military personnel. No systematic compilations exist of rape incidence prior to World War II. However, individual records of rape prosecutions dating back to the earliest years of the republic can be found. George Washington's notes for 22 July 1780 indicate that a Thomas Brown of the Seventh Pennsylvania Regiment was sentenced to death for rape. The few historians who have commented on the subject suggest that the rape incidence during the Civil War was relatively low. Rape by non-Americans during World War I has been written about frequently, yet rape by U.S. personnel in that war has not been explored in any comprehensive way. For World War II, comprehensive statistics of prosecutions of American military personnel are available for the European theater of operations. Those statistics indicate that rape was extensive. Indeed, rape of French women was sufficiently pervasive to cause Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower's headquarters to issue a directive to U.S. Army commanders announcing the general's “grave concern,” and instructing that speedy and appropriate punishments be administered.
Court-martial statistics are available also for the Korean War and the Vietnam War. From 31 May 1951 through 30 May 1953, twenty-three U.S. Army personnel in Korea were convicted of rape, and nine of assault with intent to rape. In Vietnam, from 1 January 1965 to 31 January 1973, twenty army personnel and one air force man were convicted of rape, and fourteen army personnel were convicted of attempted rape or assault with intent to commit rape. In Vietnam (1970–73), one navy serviceman and thirteen Marine Corpsmen were convicted of rape. According to many reports, however, these conviction numbers in no way reflect the actual number of incidents.
During the Persian Gulf War, twenty-four female American military personnel were subjected to rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault by American military men, according to official records.
Legal Provisions
Rape by military personnel has been criminalized and carried serious penalties, including capital punishment, throughout American history. Rape was specifically prohibited in the English army as early as 1385. The American Continental army observed the customary prohibition and applied severe penalties, including the death penalty, for committing rape.
From 1950 to 1992, rape was defined by the Uniform Code of Military Justice as “an act of sexual intercourse with a female not [the accused's] wife, by force and without her consent.” In 1992, that definition was amended to include rape of a male and rape within marriage. Current military rules of evidence include a rape shield provision that excludes from evidence most testimony regarding the sexual history of the alleged victim.
In addition to American domestic law criminalizing rape by military personnel, multiple provisions of international law prohibit rape by military personnel. Rape is incontrovertibly a war crime. Both the fourth Geneva Convention and Protocols I and II to the Geneva Conventions explicitly prohibit rape, and there is clear movement toward interpreting the Geneva Conventions' grave breach provisions to cover rape. When committed on a mass and systematic basis, rape can constitute a crime against humanity. Rape also can, under certain conditions, constitute a part of the crime of genocide. In addition to prohibiting rape under international laws of war, provisions of international human rights law, such as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, also proscribe rape by military personnel or others when their acts are attributable to the state.
Historically, rape has not been a focus of international war crimes prosecutions. Scant attention was paid to rape in the international prosecutions after World War II. Rape was not mentioned in the Nuremberg Charter and was not prosecuted as a war crime at the Nuremberg Trials. It received some but still rather limited treatment at the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. The International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda are currently beginning their work; there have been indications that these tribunals will prosecute rape vigorously.
-- January 23, 2010 1:40 PM ∞
FEMA wrote:
Yes, we are building concentration camps, to house American citizens, as per the above videos. But don't think of this as some sort of neo-con conspiracy, driven by the need for power. It isn't. We have no interest in putting Americans in concentration camps.
We'd rather play golf with out Republican friends.
However, we know that societies can break down in a hurry. For instance, the world food supplies have only 30 days reserves, as author James Kunstler said recently. If we have a huge, unexpected drought, as has happened many times in the past, the food supply could dry up in a hurry, causing millions to starve. America would break down in a hurry, and millions may have to be put in concentration camps, to maintain social order.
We don't want to do this, we don't want that kind of power or responsibility, we aren't interested in taking away your rights, we'd rather be playing golf with Tiger Woods, but we just realize we might have to do it.
When might we have to lock you people up?
Like for instance if Peak Oil is real, or if the terrorists explode a nuke in America, or if the supply of oil dries up, or the price of oil goes up so much it wrecks the economy, then social order will collapse in America within weeks. We might have to lock up millions of you people just to keep order. REMEMBER: The first responsibility of governments is the safety and security of most of the people, and if we have to lock up and shoot a few million looters when things start to break down, we will.
We are not evil. We just do what we have to do.
Don't like it? Stop driving your car.
After doing that, you can then find a way to run the world's economy, and food supply, without oil.
Got that solved? Didn't think so.
If you can do that, and if America gets off oil, there would be no need to invade countries like Iraq. If the world ran on something other than oil, the food supply would be secure, the economy would not be incredibly vulnerable, as it is now, and we wouldn't have to worry about it by building concentration camps for Americans.
If you get off oil, the Arabs won't have any more money and can't afford nuclear bombs, so you won't have to worry about terrorism.
BUT WILL AMERICA GET OFF OIL?
No.
Of course, it IS possible to get off oil. You people won't stop driving your cars. Will you? Any volunteers? Rob N maybe? Anyone out there ready to give up their car???????......didn't think so.
The fact is, there is no substitute for oil. So things will stay as the are. Just remember, you people, and your oil based lifestyle are the cause of it all. You people want all of the benefits of oil, but none of the problems. That's not realistic, so you personalize it, find someone to blame, and spin delusional fantasies about so-called evil neo-con people.
The neo-cons are not the problem.....Oil is the problem.
And that's not changing.
Well, that's it....So we'll just go back to building our FEMA concentration camps. Hopefully we don't have to lock you up anytime soon....but who knows?
-- January 23, 2010 2:26 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Rob N;
I have to take up this point, though with regret, since I do not wish to discuss the topic. However, the lie of the US military being the "bad guys" should be refuted, and it falls to me to prove the need to look a bit further to see who really uses rape militarily as a form of torture and as a weapon. For it is in wartime and not peace that the military statistics on rape outpace the civilian, in any country.. and the reason is likely due to a mentality which uses it for military aims.
The point of rape in wartime differs from that of rape by civilians. It is prevalent as a form of torture, not having anything to do with lust or inordinate affection. I took this quote from an article entitled "The Rape of Taraneh: Prison Abuse of Iran's Protesters" dated July 15, 2009 in which it discusses how "her mother received an anonymous call from a government agent saying that her daughter has been hospitalized in Imam Khomeini Hospital in the city of Karaj, just north of Tehran -- hospitalized for "rupturing of her womb and anus in... an unfortunate accident".
The article goes on to state, "By killing protesters, the government makes martyrs of them, but by raping them and allowing them to live, it makes them shunned in society. The psychology of threatening protesters and political activists is not a new science. The strategies and ultimate goals are the same for any kind of torture: to humiliate, disembody (through denying the victim authority over his/her own physical self), extract confessions (whether true or false) and ultimately permanently terrorize the victims to prevent further 'disturbances'."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shirin-sadeghi/the-rape-of-taraneh-priso_b_233063.html
It appears that in most instances of rape during war, it is a calculated way for the rapist to seek power over another through denying a person authority over their own body, with an aim toward military goals. Any rape is taking power over another against their will, but this military variety is actually a form of torture and used in that way, rather than a form of what we might think of as "date-rape" where there is affection between the two and the fellow simply went too far and pushed to have his way when his hormonal levels took over his judgement.
The fact remains, people in any military throughout history do rape.. and often for malicious reasons. Threatening a person's family with rape has brought many people holding out against a regime into line politically or ideologically with their oppressors. When you speak of rape by military persons, I do concede that it happens and has happened historically. But I think the majority of the blame for that kind of human rights violation does not lie with the US military. The use of rape as a weapon of war is most greatly used by the terrorists, as with Taraneh, above, and this, also:
Al-Qaeda accused of using male rape to 'create' suicide bombers
By Staff Writer, PinkNews.co.uk • February 4, 2009Islamic terrorists are raping young men in order to drive them into suicide bombings.
The Sun quotes Algerian militant Abu Baçir El Assimi:
"The sexual act on young recruits aged between 16 to 19 was a means to urge them to commit suicide operations."
The paper claims that "intense social stigma and fear of more gay sex attacks leaves Muslims prepared to die."
Rape and homosexual acts are punishable by death under Sharia law.
A suspected terrorist bomber killed in an attempted attack on a security installation in the Tizi Ouzou province of Algeria last month may have been raped, an autopsy revealed.
News source Ennahar Online said there was "a large tear in the anus of the terrorist, which confirms the sexual abuse. In addition, semen analysis is underway to determine the perpetrator.
"The young terrorist subject of sexual abuse, was aged 22, from Diar El Djemaâ, ElHarrach. He would have joined terrorist groups in March 2008.
"He was a candidate to execute a suicide operation in the region of Boumerdes."
The al-Qaeda terrorist movement is a loose association spread across nations from Algeria to Iraq.
Terrorists have been trained in camps in Sudan and Afghanistan.
Cells operating in the US and western Europe have claimed responsibility for a range of suicide attacks including the attacks on New York and Washington DC on September 11th 2001. Al-Qaeda has also been linked to an insurgency in Algeria.
Characteristic al-Qaeda techniques include suicide attacks and simultaneous bombings of different targets.
-- January 23, 2010 3:58 PM ∞
Nautical Depth wrote:
Mark Twain: "It takes a great deal of effort for most people, to see what is clearly right in front of their face"
-- January 23, 2010 9:04 PM ∞
Roger in Iraq wrote:
Hi all,
Now I fially start seeing the big effort of packing everything up.
The strategy have been for a while to pack up the smaller bases, and we have had a lot of those. We only have a handful of them left,everything goes into bigger baases, material of different kindhave been stockpiling in a small number of bigger bases, and I now see the indication that we are actually pulling out of here.
Camps are mostly packed up, services that we have taken for granted for so long have gradually started to wind down.
Lot of war stuff is lined up in camps, and they are hauled out in fast order.
I don't know how long I will ride this wave, but for now,the money is good, and it is very tight times in the US, so at least for now I am still running armed trucks here in Iraq.
I haave not experienced any enemy activity for a long time, last time I saw shooting and IED's blow up our convoy was last Ramadan.
Mot other violence here now, is what I read in the papers, nothing that I can see with my own eyes.
The Iraqis themselves have taken over the payment to "The Sons of Iraq" , and the problems anticipated have not materialized.
I can se improvement in roads, but still there are many bridges that are down,either by our bombs way in the past, or a holy arab blowing up a bridge with a PU truck filled with explosives.
The improvements are real and easy to put a tab on.
There have been a lot of trucking industry developed here now,trucks from Turkey and Jordan start to fill the roads with products.
I have even seen a couple of places where they have truckstops, they make them like a carnival, with a lot of colored lamps.
Shops jut outside of mybase have transferred from a couple of boxes with atarp over, to container, towhat isee now, new modern shop buildings withparking outside.
They still off course have the whole range of shops, but the different was that in the past, I saw only the boxes and tarpmodel.
I have seen a better looking carpark here as well. Cars start to look shiny and new now, compared with the 1970's style junk I saw in the past.
( again, the junk still exist in big numbers, but you can clearly see that the Iraqis are getting into modern stuff to roll in now, have even started to see a few high end Merceds and BMW's lately.)
Just a few observations from the ground.
See ya all.
Roger
-- January 24, 2010 9:55 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Fema, Anonymous and Nautical Depth (on the camps);
You forget the story of David and Goliath.
And that the people of America are ARMED...
both with guns and with reliance upon the God of David.
In the Story of Gideon, God told Gideon he had too many soldiers...
and pared it down to 300 to take on a sea of enemies who were like grasshoppers for their multitude.
God can save by many or by few and superior armaments are no guarantee of victory.1Sa 14:6 And Jonathan said to the young man that bore his armour, Come, and let us go over unto the garrison of these uncircumcised: it may be that the LORD will work for us: for there is no restraint to the LORD to save by many or by few.
Psa 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
Chariots and horses were the tanks and superior technology whereby a soldier could do far more than a mere man on the ground walking.
The victory does not go to those with superior weaponry, technology or armaments, then or now.
I assure you - the American Patriot DOES have the God of Heaven on their side,
and victory is theirs, in such a scenerio as this you postulate, or any similar to it - as they look to GOD.Also, who would do this "roundup" you speak of?
The military whose people are sworn to "protect and defend" The Constitutional rights of "we the people?"
Or foreigners, say, from the UN?Where people stand (their political position) when a snare and trap is discovered reveals who they really are..
their true beliefs.
This is instructive to those who are seeing the snare you speak of beforehand,
and assures about what will happen if they are placed into one.==
"Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler."
--Psalm 91:3God delivers His people from the snare of the fowler in two senses. From, and out of. First, He delivers them from the snare--does not let them enter it; and secondly, if they should be caught in one, He delivers them out of it. The first promise is the most precious to some; the second is the best to others.
"He shall deliver you from the snare." How? Trouble is often the means whereby God delivers us. God knows that our backsliding will soon end in our destruction, and He in mercy sends the rod. We say, "Lord, why is this?" not knowing that our trouble has been the means of delivering us from far greater evil. Many have been thus saved from ruin by their sorrows and their crosses; these have frightened the birds from the net. At other times, God keeps His people from the snare of the fowler by giving them great spiritual strength, so that they are delivered from the snare before they fall into it. But what a blessed thing it is that if the believer shall, in an evil hour, come into the net, yet God will bring him out of it! O backslider, you may be cast down, but do not despair. Wanderer though you have been, hear what your Redeemer says--"Return, O backsliding children; I will have mercy upon you." But you say you cannot return, for you are captured in the snare. Then listen to the promise--"Surely He shall deliver you out of the snare of the fowler." You shall yet be brought out of all evil into which you have fallen, and though you shall never cease to repent of your ways, yet He that has loved you will not cast you away; He will receive you, and give you joy and gladness, that the bones which He has broken may rejoice. No bird of paradise shall die in the fowler's net."No bird of paradise shall die in the fowler's net," says the Preacher (Charles Haddon Spurgeon, above).
It is well to note his admonition from Scripture, as it is God who can and will deliver from all such scenerios as these.
Only quit ye like men.. meaning, act the part of a man and not a coward:1Co 16:13 Watch all of you, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
2Ch 15:7 Be all of you strong therefore, and let not your hands be weak: for your work shall be rewarded.
1Pe 1:13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought to you..
Be prepared.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and did not prepare, neither did according to His will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Sara.
-- January 24, 2010 11:51 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Roger!
Great to hear your news.. sounds great.
Yes, the US has been victorious in Iraq but the MSM is hush-hush about it.
Why just yesterday:===
Shhh… US Marines Wrap Up Mission in Iraq– Victorious
Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:15 AM
Jim HoftShhh… Don’t tell anyone. It may make George W. Bush look good. It may make Republicans look good.
It may shine light on the democrat’s awful record on national defense.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDOAmJYFFA&feature=player_embedded
The US Marines pulled out of Anbar Province today victorious.
The US Marine Corps finished their work in Iraq on Saturday… victorious.
FOX News reported:The U.S. Marine Corps wrapped nearly seven years in Iraq on Saturday, handing over duties to the Army and signaling the beginning of an accelerated withdrawal of American troops as the U.S. turns its focus away from the waning Iraqi war to a growing one in Afghanistan.
In Baghdad, meanwhile, Vice President Joe Biden held talks with Iraqi leaders amid growing tensions over plans to ban election candidates because of suspected links to Saddam Hussein’s regime.
The White House worries the bans could raise questions over the fairness of the March 7 parliamentary elections, which are seen as an important step in the American pullout timetable and breaking political stalemates over key issues such as dividing Iraq’s oil revenue.
The Marines formally handed over control of Sunni-dominated Anbar, Iraq’s largest province, to the Army during a ceremony at a base in Ramadi — where some of the fiercest fighting of the war took place.
If all goes as planned, the last remaining Marines will be followed out by tens of thousands of soldiers in the coming months. Obama has ordered all but 50,000 troops out of the country by Aug. 31, 2010, with most to depart after the March 7 parliamentary election.
The remaining troops will leave by the end of 2011 under a U.S.-Iraqi security pact.
==
And, just think, it was only two and a half years ago that then Senator Obama said that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq wasn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there. Thank God he did not get his way.
America finished the fight and brought democracy to Iraq thanks to the leadership of President George W. Bush. Today the rest is history.
If we had a responsible media in this country this would be front page news.
Sadly, we don’t.Thank you US Marines.
Thank you US military.
Thank you Republicans for standing strong.
Thank you George W. Bush.Comments:
1) Militant Conservative
DO NOT FORGET “This War Is Lost” spoken by Harry Reid Democrat Nevada, for now.
2) Melvin Winter
Iraqis Celebrate Second Anniversary of “Wonderful, Colossal” Erroneous Prediction of U.S. Senator Harry Reid http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/04/iraqis-celebrate-second-anniversary-of.html
3) Holger Awakens
Thanks so much for putting this up – fortunately, for many Americans there is a way to view first hand how the Marines took back Ramadi and Anbar – this series at Big Hollywood shows us all the truth:
To the Marines, soldiers, airmen and navy that fought and WON in Iraq – a huge salute and a humble awe of your precision, dedication and sacrifice.
4) Dell
What is this???
The Marines aren’t bringing home any oil?? To the victor go the spoils, they say. I was told this war was “blood for oil” and I demand that every member of our military bring home a quart – no, make that a gallon – of Iraqi “black gold”.
What’s that you say? We didn’t invade Iraq to steal their oil? Well I’ll be dad gummed; that’s what all those Liberal folks told us for years on end. You mean it’s NOT true? Are you saying those lefties were LYING? Imagine that!
God Bless the United States Marines!
Semper Fi
5) James
God bless our brave troops and God bless President George W. Bush, the greatest president in american history. If the dems had their way, saddam would be filling mass graves all these years, the sanctions would have been long removed and he would have a nuclear weapon, which he would use to kill hundreds of thousands of americans with.
6) Joanne
Well the American and coalition troops have done their part, and now it is up to the Iraqi people to keep their house in order. God help the Iraqi Christians, because they are going to need it. The Americans and coalition troops have shed their blood and tears to bring a democracy to Iraq, but no matter how great the sacrifice, the recipients aren’t going to change what they believe, how they think, or how they act. Here’s hoping love reigns supreme above hate when they are left on their own to manage themselves.
7) maverick muse
God bless our troops who must yet remain, and thank God for our brave Marines. BRAVO!
I’ll never forget watching a PBS production, Independent Lens, featuring the production of a movie in far Eastern Europe. The movie’s executive producer had decided to sponsor a young aspiring film student from Iraq as an intern in his production crew. The Iraqi young adult male was given absolutely NO supervision, no concrete time frame for responsibilities to be completed when tasks were assigned, no directions on how to fulfill the tasks. It didn’t bother the film’s producer and crew that this kid was acting completely irresponsibly. It was his first time away from home, and that was outside of Iraq! The entire experience was being filmed for their documentary, exploiting this kid for their fame and glory: “Look at us, see how good we are; we took this kid under our wings and changed his life!” UNTIL the kid spilled the beans one day in conversation. They were attacking George W. Bush as a horrible man and terrible president. This kid stood up and said, “I love President Bush; he saved my life!”
From that moment on, everyone in the production worked to sabotage this kid. He told them, “You try to stop me. I know that I am real, and you are fake.” When they dropped him like dead meat, he then petitioned a different international film academy organization for help getting into a formal training program. I don’t recall which American star he got to give him a good reference, but it may have been The Rock or someone like him, willing to put out for the kid to have a second chance rather than return him in failure to Iraq while the war was newly raging and everything in the kid’s neighborhood was still really bloody and volatile. The PBS documentary ended with this executive producer and his wife in bed self-righteously bashing the kid for having been an inexperienced kid out in the world for the first time on his own with no professional supervision whatsoever from them or anyone else in the crew.
They were so stupid, they didn’t realize how badly they made themselves look to the public and to professional supervisors.
8) Patrick Carroll
God bless the United State Marine Corps. True warriors.
Semper Fidelis.
===
Quote:
Thank you US Marines.
Thank you US military.
Thank you Republicans for standing strong.
Thank you George W. Bush.And thank you to YOU and to people like you, Roger.. for the support and services which made victory possible, as well.
Sara.
-- January 24, 2010 12:12 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Finally back on track for RV?
Roger (and Board);
Did you notice that article I posted mentioned:
The White House worries the bans could raise questions over the fairness of the March 7 parliamentary elections, which are seen as an important step in the American pullout timetable and breaking political stalemates over key issues such as dividing Iraq’s oil revenue.
This about breaking stalemates which are HOLDING UP the works.
These stalemates have stopped the oil revenue from flowing and the country's money from being worth more.
Although it hasn't happened yet, this certainly points to the possibility it can still happen for Iraq in the future.Breaking these stalemates could be possible with the pullout of the troops from Iraq, because this will give less cause for the detractors to say the "Americans are occupying Iraq" when they are not. The elections and pullout are definitely important factors that could be key in breaking stalemates over the oil law/revenue, and any monetary revaluation Iraq may contemplate. If the Iraqis finally are able to see their way clear to being masters of their own fate and are strong enough to stand together, even with differences (though being careful to protect their fledgling Republic from enemies within as well as without), they may finally feel they can do the revaluation and give their recovery the kick it needs to get those bridges rebuilt and all the things you said still need doing. :)
Oh, and by the way, we Dinarians would also gain monetarily.. which isn't a bad thing, as good stewards do increase their wealth, as that parable of the ten talented person shows.. kind of a win-win scenerio, as you can see.
Sara.
-- January 24, 2010 12:35 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Chemical Ali Executed in Iraq – Murdered Thousands of Kurds With Chemical Weapons (Video)
Monday, January 25, 2010, 5:43 AM
Jim HoftOf all the atrocities committed against the Kurds during the Saddam’s rule, Halabja has come to symbolize the worst of the repression against the Iraqi Kurds. Halabja was a town of 70,000 people located about 8-10 miles from the Iranian border.
In March 1988, the town and the surrounding district were unmercifully attacked with bombs, artillery fire, and chemicals. The chemical weapons included mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun, and VX. At least 5,000 people died immediately as a result of the chemical attack and it is estimated that 7,000-10,000 were injured.
This video was shot by the first reporters to enter Halabja after the attacks.
(Warning on content)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvfT7zCW7ts&feature=player_embedded
Chemical Ali was executed today in Iraq. He was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s for his role in the Iraqi government’s campaigns against internal opposition forces, namely the ethnic Kurdish rebels of the north, and the Shia religious dissidents of the south. He was responsible for the mass killings of Kurds at Halabja.
Reuters reported:Iraq on Monday executed Ali Hassan al-Majeed, the Saddam Hussein henchman widely known as “Chemical Ali,” for crimes against humanity, government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.
“The death sentence against Ali Hassan al-Majeed has been carried out,” Dabbagh said.
Comment:
1) ironbill
While watching this, I reflected on all those who said George Bush lied about Saddam and WMDs.
A just world would make this required content for Liberals who believe that America is the enemy of humanity.
They’d probably claim it was a fraud (sigh).
Evidence of thousands of human beings murdered by chemical weapons and libs will still argue that the most important thing right now is single payer health care.
-- January 25, 2010 3:48 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Whether Bin Laden is alive or dead - that group which calls itself followers of the same - is alive and well.. and plotting.
===
Bin Laden wording 'indicator' of upcoming attack: monitor
Sun Jan 24, 2010WASHINGTON (AFP) – Osama bin Laden's word choice in the latest audio message attributed to him is seen as a "possible indicator" of an upcoming attack by his Al-Qaeda network, a US monitoring group warned Sunday.
IntelCenter, a US group that monitors Islamist websites, also said that manner of the release and the content of the message showed it was "credible" that it was a new release from the Saudi extremist.
"The Osama bin Laden audio message released to Al-Jazeera on 24 January 2010 contains specific language used by bin Laden in his statements in advance of attacks," IntelCenter said in a statement.
The group said it considered the language "a possible indicator of an upcoming attack" in the next 12 months.
"This phrase, 'Peace be upon those who follow guidance,' appears at the beginning and end of messages released in advance of attacks that are designed to provide warning to Al-Qaeda's enemies that they need to change their ways or they will be attacked," the group said.
IntelCenter said the audio statement "appears to be exactly what it purports to be, an audio message from bin Laden."
"The manner of release, content of message and other factors indicate it is a credible and new release from bin Laden," it said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100124/ts_alt_afp/attacksusnigeriabinladenthreat_20100124182004
-- January 25, 2010 3:56 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Sara,
I honestly believe you are so pro RV and so blind by the fascist acts of this government in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Yemen that your judgment has been clouded. There is not going to be a revaluation of the New Iraqi Dinar. This currency is valueless proped up by a Central Bank and a phony managed exchange rate. Because this currency is transitory Instead of a revaluation this currency is destined to a three zero lop where a 25000 note becomes 25. This means either an introduction of a new currency by the CBI or the GoI joins the GCC and introduces the GCC Dinar. This new currency predicates the valuelessness these inflationary notes possess. Once this new currency is introduced Iraq will follow the same protocol it implemented when exchanging the Saddam notes for the New Iraqi Dinar. Iraq will shut down its borders during the exchange period; those holding inflationary notes outside of Iraq will loose their investment.
I stand by my positon that this neo-con fascist government is evil. Reading your post reminds me of the loyalists (like Benedict Arnold) who betrayed freedom during the American Revolution for the crown. You also remind me of those who spied on behalf of the SS and the Gestapo. I make these analogies because of your ill thought statements of thanking God for George W. Bush. Bush like Obama is nothing more than a neo-con fascist who is bulling weaker opponents into accepting the United Nations global governance. Our soldiers in Iraq are dying in vain and for the porcurement of oil in Iraq and the procurement of Opium in Afghanistan.
George W. Bush and Obama are the same in their domestic and foreign agendas; along with Green Span and Bernanke a concerted effort to destroy this economy. We have witness the congress raising the debt ceiling as our Treasury and Federal Reserve continue to monetize a debt equal to our GDP. I cannot imagine how you can say God Bless George W. Bush in light of his neo-con fascist agenda he instep with Clinton before him and now Obama is currently following to destroy this country. You are blind Sara with the false right left paradigm gripping the sheeple. You must awaken from your slumber and begin thinking for yourself.
Again, I damn America and may it be plunged into the abyss of financial ruin and may it have to chase after China for its economic sustenance.
Rob N.
-- January 25, 2010 6:42 PM ∞
Confuzed wrote:
Rob N,
You said recently that America was taking over the world in a neo-fascist state.
Then you said China will rule the world.
Now you say the U.N. will run the world:
Rob Quote: "Bush like Obama is nothing more than a neo-con fascist who is bulling weaker opponents into accepting the United Nations global governance."
I didn't know the U.N. had an army Rob. Do you know something no one else does? And who at the U.N. will run the world? The Security Council?
So which one is it Rob? Who will rule the world? America? China? The U.N.?
They can't all run the world at the same time, Rob.
Rob, if you want people to take you seriously, you have to at least be logically consistent.
-- January 25, 2010 8:50 PM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Confuzed,
Both time and history are linear; the foundation for global government is continually being laid by the neo-con fascist controlling Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Currently our U.S. military is the agent being used to subdue the countries of the middle east. Iraq and Afghanistan both have U.S. puppet regimes and a Rothschild controlled central bank. With the establishment of the World Health Organization (which is an organization that sponsors Eugenics) and a World Court it is an evolutionary processes toward a global governance. The U.N. does have a military and it is the American soldier. Since our military is the strongest in the world it will be used to dominate and bully weaker opponents.
In the interim I do believe the total collapse of the U.S. economy occurs and the U.S. dollar looses its world reserve status. China during this period becomes the dominant economic and military force prior to the installation of the global governance. I see no inconsistency in my reasoning I think you are confused.
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 26, 2010 10:00 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Admin,
Please delete the two listings from Hassan this is a dinar forum not craigslist.
Thanks,Rob N.
-- January 26, 2010 10:02 AM ∞
Confuzed wrote:
Rob, in 20 years China will have an economy as strong as America, and a military just as strong. That's not much time so if the neo-cons want to take over the world, that doesn't leave them a lot of time. Do you really think 1.3 billion Chinese, with a strong economy and military, will put up with being ruled by mostly white American Republicans?
You say the UN does have an army and it is the American Army, but the UN is controlled by 3rd world countries in the General Assembly, and a lot of those countries are Muslim. They won't go for America invading Muslim countries. And in the Security Council, Russia, China, France and England, all have a veto over any uN military authorization. So how would the UN tell America what to do?
What's the motive? Racial? Environmental? Is the world running out of resources? Are we destroying the planet through overpopulation and it has to be controlled? Do some people just want to get rid of non-whites? Are the Jews behind this?
-- January 26, 2010 11:11 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
I Voted Democrat
I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my boat.
I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.
I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.
I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
I voted Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.
I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.
I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.
I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as IT sees fit.
I voted Democrat because I believe we need liberal judges to rewrite The Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.
"A Liberal (or Progressive) is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
-- January 26, 2010 1:42 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
I, too, am confused, Rob N.
You are talking about, quote "Iraq and Afghanistan both have U.S. puppet regimes and a Rothschild controlled central bank." Then you seem to say that everything is moving toward a "global governance" with these rich elite banking powers behind it all (and, apparently, the US military as their foot soldiers). At least, I think that is what you are saying. As Confused wrote, you appear to have China, America and the UN taking over global governance.. and you say they WILL have their way.. dominating and bullying weaker opponents. And they are also about to be responsible for collapsing the US economy and the US dollar losing its world reserve status. I THINK you are believing that all those elements - China, America and the UN.. and the bankers.. are all in cahoots together.. right?
Correct me if I am wrong in portraying your position.. am I right? (Not agreeing here, just spelling it out as I see you saying this. HINT: I think if you are looking for one controlling power, you really ought to look higher to see how it all fits together.. just sayin'.)
If what you say is so.. why is it that these same elites who now own the central bank of Iraq (CBI) -.. will have to make another currency? Why is this current Iraqi currency (which you say that they own and control, lock stock and barrel.. quote "Iraq and Afghanistan both have U.S. puppet regimes and a Rothschild controlled central bank.") why is the current Iraqi currency no longer any good for them when they supposedly own it all already?
Sorry, but it is all so very confusing. And the strange thing with conspiracy theories is.. they often are beliefs which are held without any concrete proof. Can you substantiate with any concrete proof exactly why they would throw out one currency and bring in another one when they are both owned by them? Is it.. to fool the Iraqis? (Said with a sinister voice - "Aha! A new fiat currency, now you will do our wills!") Um, what is WRONG with the old one the rich elites supposedly already own? Because you did say the CBI will be issuing this new one, didn't you? Quote: "This means either an introduction of a new currency by the CBI or the GoI joins the GCC and introduces the GCC Dinar." The second possibility has been Carl's argument from long ago on this forum, and as he argued eloquently, it does mean a revaluative gain if that were to happen.
As for your saying, "the foundation for global government is continually being laid by the neo-con fascist controlling Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama." This is a bit like the Democrats claiming the reason they lost to Scott Brown in Massachusetts is because the people were supporting Obama by electing a Republican and not the Democrat. That argument is just a little hard to follow, since MOST people don't see them all.. errr.. in bed together and with the same agenda, quite like you do.
QUOTE:
===Robert Gibbs on Scott Brown’s Win: “More People Voted to Express Support for Barack Obama Than to Oppose Him” (Video)
Sunday, January 24, 2010, 10:43 AM
Jim HoftChange?… Not here.
Like President Obama on Wednesday, Robert Gibbs today on FOX News Sunday denied that the Scott Brown’s win in Massachusetts was an indictment of democratic policies and practices in Washington DC.
Go with it libs:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuvM3DvCNv0&feature=player_embedded
Here’s the partial transcript:
Chris Wallace: It wasn’t the same thing that swept Barack Obama into office. Scott Brown explicitly campaigned against the Obama agenda. His approval rating among that electorate was 61%. Their enthusiasm for Republican policies among that electorate was 40%.
Chris Wallace: But your not suggesting that this was a mandate for Barack Obama?
Robert Gibbs: No. Of course not. But I’m also not suggesting that what you said a minute ago meets the truth test either.
Chris Wallace: You don’t think that when they voted for Scott Brown they were voting against Obama’s policies?
Robert Gibbs: That’s not what they told pollsters. No.
Robert Gibbs on Scott Brown’s win: That may be what he campaigned on but that’s not what the voters in Massachusetts said in the Washington Post poll… They did a poll of voters who participated in why they voted. Right. More people voted express their support for Barack Obama than to oppose him.
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That’s right, Robert. Keep ramming that radical agenda down America’s throat.
Sara.
-- January 26, 2010 2:58 PM ∞
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-- January 27, 2010 10:33 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Al-Qaeda seeks WMD, US unprepared: reports
Jan 26, 2010The United States has not done enough to protect the country against the threat of weapons of mass destruction even as Al-Qaeda appears intent on staging a large-scale attack, reports said.
A bipartisan panel warned that the government had failed to adopt measures to counter the danger posed by extremists using WMD, saying the administration lacked plans for a rapid response to a possible biological attack.
"Nearly a decade after September 11, 2001, one year after our original report, and one month after the Christmas Day bombing attempt, the United States is failing to address several urgent threats, especially bioterrorism," said former senator Bob Graham, chair of the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism.
He said that Washington no longer had "the luxury of a slow learning curve, when we know Al-Qaeda is interested in bioweapons."
In its "report card," the commission also gave the federal government low marks for failing to recruit a new generation of national security experts and for failing to improve congressional oversight of intelligence and homeland security agencies.
The findings came as a former CIA officer wrote in a report that Al-Qaeda's leaders have been working methodically since the 1990s to secure weapons that could inflict massive bloodshed.
Although other extremists had looked into obtaining such weapons, Al-Qaeda "is the only group known to be pursuing a long-term, persistent and systematic approach to developing weapons to be used in mass casualty attacks," wrote Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, who led the CIA's WMD department.
He acknowledged that the failure to find WMD in Iraq had damaged the US government's credibility and had spread skepticism about the threat posed by Al-Qaeda getting its hands on nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.
"That said, WMD terrorism is not Iraqi WMD," he wrote in the report released by the Harvard Kennedy School of Government's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
He argued that intelligence on Al-Qaeda's activities was much more extensive and reliable than the information about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs.
His report said Al-Qaeda's efforts to develop biological and nuclear weapons were not "empty rhetoric" and that the group's leaders appeared to have ruled out smaller-scale attacks with simpler devices.
"If Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants had been interested in employing crude chemical, biological and radiological materials in small-scale attacks, there is little doubt they could have done so by now," he wrote.
In a "highly compartmentalized" operation, Al-Qaeda had pursued parallel tracks to try to secure the destructive weapons, building a biological lab and separately acquiring strains of anthrax bacteria before the attacks of September 11, 2001, the report said.
The anthrax was apparently never successfully placed in a weapon and scientists working at a lab in Afghanistan had to flee when US-led forces invaded after the 9/11 attacks, it said.
In 2003, US officials feared that Al-Qaeda was on the verge of obtaining atomic weapons after intercepting a message from a Saudi operative referring to plans to secure Russian nuclear devices.
The sensitive intelligence was passed on to Riyadh and the Saudi government then arrested Al-Qaeda suspects in a major crackdown.
But US officials were never sure if the nuclear plot was disrupted or merely pushed underground.
The former CIA officer also said Al-Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in 2003 had called off plans for a chemical attack on New York's subways "for something better," a cryptic remark that remains a mystery.
The bipartisan commission on the WMD threat, created by Congress, had said in its initial report in December 2008 that it was "more likely than not" that a terror attack using weapons of mass destruction would be carried out somewhere in the world by the end of 2013.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.1dab353244d906d3c74eb2eaa6af259d.141&show_article=1
Let's see..
Al-Qaeda appears intent on staging a large-scale attack, reports said.
His report said Al-Qaeda's efforts to develop biological and nuclear weapons were not "empty rhetoric" and that the group's leaders appeared to have ruled out smaller-scale attacks with simpler devices.
Ayman al-Zawahiri, in 2003 had called off plans for a chemical attack on New York's subways "for something better," a cryptic remark that remains a mystery.Thoughts, anyone?
Not that my warning will be taken seriously by anyone, but when the news lines up..Sara.
-- January 27, 2010 8:31 PM ∞
Confuzed wrote:
Rob quote: "The U.N. does have a military and it is the American soldier. Since our military is the strongest in the world it will be used to dominate and bully weaker opponents."
Yeah, and Rob, people do things because of motivation. So what's the motivation in all your doomsday scenario? Why would the American Military start taking orders from the U.N.? I guarantee if you say that today, to a hundred American soldiers, that they all will soon take orders from the U.N., they'd all laugh in your face. You have to admit, in light of current attitudes and political conditions, your idea of American soldiers taking orders from the U.N. sounds preposterous, unless there are very credible reasons why the American military would start taking orders from them. So, what is it? What's the reasons? What will change? You say there is an evolutionary movement toward world governance. OK. How would that happen? Why would this happen? What are the conditions leading to one-world government? And why would eugenics be imposed upon the world?-- January 27, 2010 10:38 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Remember that pesky previous article about an upcoming attack?
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Bin Laden wording 'indicator' of upcoming attack: monitor
Sun Jan 24, 2010WASHINGTON (AFP) – Osama bin Laden's word choice in the latest audio message attributed to him is seen as a "possible indicator" of an upcoming attack by his Al-Qaeda network, a US monitoring group warned Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100124/ts_alt_afp/attacksusnigeriabinladenthreat_20100124182004
Well.. I have to ask you.. WHERE is that attack likely to be?
Hmmm..
Well, the UK felt their intelligence people indicate it may be them.. so they have raised their risk level to just under imminent/critical.. to SEVERE, the highest level possible without specific intelligence to help them know where or when:
===Terrorist threat level raised to 'severe'
January 22, 2010Britain's terrorist threat level was raised tonight from “substantial” to “severe” - meaning that counter-terrorism agencies believe an attack is “highly likely”.
Sources said there had been intensive discussions throughout the day relating to intelligence suggesting a possible attempted “spectacular” by an al-Qaeda affiliated group.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6999294.ece
THEN.. they said that they had apprehended two people on their 'no fly' lists.. heading where? To the USA.
That story here:
===Terror alert: Two men on 'no-fly' list stopped at Heathrow
24/01/2010Two men were stopped boarding US-bound planes at Heathrow days before Britain's terror threat was raised to "severe".
News of the incidents came hours after Home Secretary Alan Johnson lifted the threat level amid fears that al-Qaeda is planning an attack.The new level, which means an attack is reckoned "highly likely", is second only to "critical".
Anti-terror officials said the past week had seen an "unusually high" number of people on their no-fly list trying to board US-bound planes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/24/terror-alert-two-men-on-no-fly-list-stopped-at-heathrow-115875-21990980/
So lets connect the dots.. severe threat.. Bin laden indicating an upcoming attack.. and these two men heading TO THE USA who are terrorists. What kind of specialized knowledge would they possess? Anything about WMD, perhaps? Then yesterday the one about Al-Qaeda seeking WMD... and this one sheds further light by showing the target, uncannily, is the same place these two men were heading.. the USA.
-- January 28, 2010 10:19 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
So lets connect the dots.. severe threat.. Bin laden indicating an upcoming attack.. and these two men heading TO THE USA who are terrorists. What kind of specialized knowledge would they possess? Anything about WMD, perhaps? Then yesterday the one about Al-Qaeda seeking WMD... and this one sheds further light by showing the target, uncannily, is the same place these two men were heading.. the USA.
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Report says Al-Qaeda still aims to use weapons of mass destruction against U.S.
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 26, 2010When al-Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, called off a planned chemical attack on New York's subway system in 2003, he offered a chilling explanation: The plot to unleash poison gas on New Yorkers was being dropped for "something better," Zawahiri said in a message intercepted by U.S. eavesdroppers.
The meaning of Zawahiri's cryptic threat remains unclear more than six years later, but a new report warns that al-Qaeda has not abandoned its goal of attacking the United States with a chemical, biological or even nuclear weapon.
The report, by a former senior CIA official who led the agency's hunt for weapons of mass destruction, portrays al-Qaeda's leaders as determined and patient, willing to wait for years to acquire the kind of weapons that could inflict widespread casualties.
The former official, Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, draws on his knowledge of classified case files to argue that al-Qaeda has been far more sophisticated in its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction than is commonly believed, pursuing parallel paths to acquiring weapons and forging alliances with groups that can offer resources and expertise.
"If Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants had been interested in . . . small-scale attacks, there is little doubt they could have done so now," Mowatt-Larssen writes in a report released Monday by the Harvard Kennedy School of Government's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
The report comes as a panel on weapons of mass destruction appointed by Congress prepares to release a new assessment of the federal government's preparedness for such an attack. The review by the bipartisan Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism is particularly critical of the Obama administration's actions so far in hardening the country's defenses against bioterrorism, according to two former government officials who have seen drafts of the report.
The commission's initial report in December 2008 warned that a terrorist attack using weapons of mass destruction was likely by 2013.
Mowatt-Larssen, a 23-year CIA veteran, led the agency's internal task force on al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and later was named director of intelligence and counterintelligence for the Energy Department. His report warns that bin Laden's threat to attack the West with weapons of mass destruction is not "empty rhetoric" but a top strategic goal for an organization that seeks the economic ruin of the United States and its allies to hasten the overthrow of pro-Western governments in the Islamic world.
He cites patterns in al-Qaeda's 15-year pursuit of weapons of mass destruction that reflect a deliberateness and sophistication in assembling the needed expertise and equipment. He describes how Zawahiri hired two scientists -- a Pakistani microbiologist sympathetic to al-Qaeda and a Malaysian army captain trained in the United States -- to work separately on efforts to build a biological weapons lab and acquire deadly strains of anthrax bacteria. Al-Qaeda achieved both goals before September 2001 but apparently had not successfully weaponized the anthrax spores when the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan forced the scientists to flee, Mowatt-Larssen said.
"This was far from run-of-the-mill terrorism," he said in an interview. "The program was highly compartmentalized, at the highest level of the organization. It was methodical, and it was professional."
Mowatt-Larssen said he has seen no evidence linking al-Qaeda's program with the anthrax attacks on U.S. politicians and news outlets in 2001. Zawahiri's plan was aimed at mass casualties and "not just trying to scare people with a few letters," he said.
Evidence from al-Qaeda documents and interrogations suggests that terrorists leaders had settled on anthrax as the weapon of choice and believed that the tools for a major biological attack were within their grasp, the former CIA official said. Al-Qaeda remained interested in nuclear weapons as well but understood that the odds of success were much longer.
"They realized they needed a lucky break," Mowatt-Larssen said. "That meant buying or stealing fissile material or acquiring a stolen bomb."
Bush administration officials feared that bin Laden was close to obtaining nuclear weapons in 2003 after U.S. spies picked up a cryptic message by a Saudi affiliate of al-Qaeda referring to plans to obtain three stolen Russian nuclear devices. The intercepts prompted the U.S. and Saudi governments to go on alert and later led to an aggressive Saudi crackdown that resulted in the arrest or killing of dozens of suspected al-Qaeda associates.
After that, terrorists' chatter about a possible nuclear acquisition halted abruptly, but U.S. officials were never certain whether the plot was dismantled or simply pushed deeper underground.
"The crackdown was so successful," Mowatt-Larssen said, "that intelligence about the program basically dried up."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012502598.html
Quote: He cites patterns in al-Qaeda's 15-year pursuit of weapons of mass destruction that reflect a deliberateness and sophistication in assembling the needed expertise and equipment.... pursuing parallel paths to acquiring weapons and forging alliances with groups that can offer resources and expertise.
Gosh, that almost sounds sinister.. and one wonders what "expertise" from "groups they have alliances with" they might receive. Did you notice Iran is just about to go nuclear? Say, you don't think... they might share "expertise" and maybe even some enriched uranium, with Al-Qaeda, do you? Naa.. it isn't like they are both unfriendly to the "Great Satan" or anything. And it does make you wonder about the "expertise" those two fellows on the no-fly list apprehended in the UK actually had, doesn't it? Course it could be nothing and we all know that if they were apprehended by Obama's people they would get at least 50 minutes of talking to before they were read their miranda rights and made immune from prosecution, as was done with the undies bomber:
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Detroit Christmas Bomber Interrogated For Less Than One Hour; Gibbs Defends Administration’s Actions
Monday, January 25, 2010, 5:30 AM
Jim HoftYesterday on FOX News Sunday White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs defended the Administration’s decision to grant Christmas undie-bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent and provide him with a court-appointed lawyer. Abdulmutallab was interrogated for only 50 minutes before he was appointed a lawyer.
The Washington Examiner reported:
On “Fox News Sunday,” host Chris Wallace asked White House spokesman Robert Gibbs whether President Obama was informed of the decision to read Abdulmutallab his Miranda rights before or after it was done. Gibbs avoided the question, saying, “That decision was made by the Justice Department and the FBI, with experienced FBI interrogators.” Gibbs stressed that “Abdulmutallab was interrogated and valuable intelligence was gotten as a result of that interrogation.”
Wallace pressed. “But we now find out he was interrogated for 50 minutes,” he said to Gibbs. “When they came back, he was read his Miranda rights and he clammed up.”
“No,” Gibbs answered. “Again, he was interrogated. Valuable intelligence was gotten based on those interrogations. And I think the Department of Justice and the — made the right decision, as did those FBI agents.”
“Let me just press one last question,” Wallace said. “You really don’t think that if you’d interrogated him longer that you might have gotten more information, since we now know that Al Qaeda in Yemen — ”
“Well, FBI interrogators believe they got valuable intelligence and were able to get all that they could out of him,” Gibbs said.
“All they could?” Wallace asked.
“Yeah,” Gibbs said.
Comments
1) avery - This kind of Stupid stuff what cause people to die.
2) CARMELLA - I get grilled longer than 50 minutes at my year end review at work every December…..WTF??
3) Bingobill - Drudge has a report that a recent Bin Laden message contains an indicator of an attack in the planning or operational phase. An unusually high number of individuals on the US no-ly list has been caught attempting to board planes for the United States.
My question: where the (bleep) is the Obama White House on this? If this tool, Abdulmutallab, was a test of the nations defenses and Obama just gave up any attempt to gain intelligence about an attack in progress than he has to go. And everyone of his staff.
Holder, Clinton, Neopolitano and all the rest are blinded by a warped ideological prism and unable to see beyond the narrative of their internal bias.4) mike191 - “all they could..” and Gibbs said:” yeah.” These pathogens spend more time on Blaming Bush than protecting our Nation.
5) Jack - Obama seems a lot more willing to fight Americans than fight America’s enemies.
6) Redwine - I get a very queasy feeling that Hussein and his henchmen actually want a large-scale terror attack that kills many Americans. Notice how with Ft. Hood in which Americans were murdered for the jihad and the underwear bomber, Hussein had very delayed, suppressed responses (“don’t jump to conclusions”, continuing to play golf). He seemed to be distressed and annoyed that the plane bomber was stopped. A massive attack will give him and cronies like Holder a chance to declare martial law. He wants to destroy the entire democratic process, including elections.
7) J - It would be such a relief if, at the SOFTU address, Obama stood up there and told us he never claimed he would “defend and protect” the USA (useless constitutional phrases). He promised to CHANGE the USA, and that is what he is delivering. Almost with a twilight zone feeling.
8) Betsy Ross - This is the HUGEST story of the year…no of the DECADE… ALL dems need to be labeled SOFT ON TERROR…terrorists are to be protected….the AMERICAN people…..not so much?!
HUGE, HUGE, HUGE…
9) 5407 - This is not the interrogation you are looking for.
10) Robert - Given the climate the Obama administration is creating for our intelligence agencies, it is conceivable that the decision to read Mirand rights was made on site. Our guys are going to make decisions that will place them in the least possible danger of being prosecuted.
Now seeing that no one in the administration is stepping up to take responsibility, and if this is a plausible scenario, the agents made the correct choice. For them. And I agree with it and would make the same choice given the evolving climate.
If so, this would be the fruits of the Obama administration’s terrorist-friendly policies.
11) JPL17 - [I]t is conceivable that the decision to read Miranda rights was made on site.
Conceivable, yes; but how likely is it that no one on the scene called a higher-up for instructions??? And if they did call a higher-up, then who did they call, who did that person call, and so on?
Bottom line is I don’t see any way that the chain of phone calls could have stopped anywhere short of the top. This decision had to have been made by Eric “Defense Counsel to the Terrorists” Holder himself.
12) pm - Seeing their exchange now in print, it jumps out at me that Gibbs answers Wallace’s first question: When did Obama know?
In fact, he went beyond his first dodge, with this,
“And I think the Department of Justice and the — made the right decision, as did those FBI agents.”
Who did he stop short of making complicit? I’d bet Barack Hussein Obama. He wasn’t merely informed of the decision made by the DOJ and the FBI, he *made* the decision.
13) The Triguy - OK. You’re the first government agent on the scene. If you’re doing your job, you need to know if there are others on the plane with the same objective or if there are other explosive devices on the plane. (Remember, our friends love to draw in a crowd and then let the second, more powerful device rip.)
Now, you also know that CIA agents (and others) might be prosecuted for interrogating people in this situation. You also know that some of the main people behind 9/11 are going to be tried in civilian court in New York. Be honest now, what would you do if you want to keep your job and stay out of jail?We are being led by fools!
14) Michael - This is a huge intelligence failure and undermines national security. You have to ask yourself why the Obama administration wants to protect the terrorists, and that’s what this boils down to. It was a key in the election of Scott Brown and will be a key to other Democrat defeats.
15) Major Kong - I’m surprised they got as much as an hour. Once mirandized I’m sure this guy knew enough about our system of laws to just shut up. Maybe the questions had more to do with setting up meals that complied with halal restrictions. This would be a joke ( and not a good one ) if this all weren’t so damn serious and potentially catastrophic.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/detroit-christmas-bomber-interrogated-for-less-than-one-house-gibbs-defends-administrations-actions/
Oh, yes, the USA thought they chose so wisely in the last election.. yet now they regret the choice as it pertains to economic fallout.. but one has to wonder if there is possibly another kind of fallout people just don't anticipate.
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Despite Obama-Media Americans Say Dem Control of Congress is Disastrous For Country
Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:59 PM
Jim HoftIt only took a jump in unemployment from 4.6% in January 2007 to 10.0% in January 2010 and 7 million lost jobs for Americans to agree that Democratic control of Congress is disastrous for the country.
After the Coakley loss last week, Americans overwhelmingly applaud the Democrats’ loss of their supermajority.
The Plum Line reported:QUOTE:
The headline on the new CNN poll is this: “Most Americans applaud Democrats’ loss of supermajority.”
And that’s bad for Dems. But what’s worse for Dems is that the poll’s internals also show that for the first time since the Dem takeover of Congress, more say Dem control of Congress is bad for the country.
The poll finds that 48% of American adults say it’s “bad for the country that the Democratic party is in control of Congress,” versus only 45% who say it’s good. That’s within the poll’s margin of error, but it still isn’t good for Dems.
CNN asked that question nine other times since Dems took control of Congress. In every other instance, voters said Dem control was good for the country by a wide margin, almost always by double digits.
The poll also finds that for the first time since the 2006 takeover, the number who have an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party equals the number who view the Democratic Party favorably. That’s at 46% apiece.
=== end quote ===
Of course, the fact that democrats just tripled the national deficit in one year probably didn’t help them much either.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/despite-obama-media-americans-say-dem-control-is-disastrous-for-country/
Not that America heeded the advice concerned citizens gave to them before the election any better than they will this obvious flashing red light.. but for anyone not wearing blinkers, it is pretty obvious America took a gamble on the unknown candidate.. and lost.. just as I saw they were about to do when I visited America's future.
Sara.
-- January 28, 2010 10:39 AM ∞
Sara wrote:
Hmmm...
I just don't think money will work as a bribe to stop died-in-the-wool committed religious ideology.
(Or any committed ideologically-persuaded individual, such as Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Che, etc.)
You know... from an article in a previous post today:His report warns that bin Laden's threat to attack the West with weapons of mass destruction is not "empty rhetoric" but a top strategic goal for an organization that seeks the economic ruin of the United States and its allies to hasten the overthrow of pro-Western governments in the Islamic world.
I just don't think the Chamberlain appeasement strategy will work with radical Islamic fundamentalists, do you?
Well.. it appears that some are thinking it will work, just like Chamberlain did.
===US and Britain mulling plan to buy off Taliban for $1 Billion over 5 years
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Jim HoftThe Obama effect….When it become perfectly acceptable to buy off the Taliban.
Why hasn’t this gotten more attention by the MSM? That was rhetorical of course, we all know why.
The Hill reported:
The United States and Britain are mulling a plan to buy off Taliban fighters in Afghanistan with as much as $1 billion over five years, according to a report Wednesday from Al-Jazeera.
Coalition partners plan to meet Thursday in London to discuss the stragety of the U.S.-led NATO effort in Afghanistan, where a roused insurgency has complicated efforts to forge a lasting peace.
According to Al-Jazeera, which reported that the U.S. and Britain were leading the charge for the buyoff plan, “the scheme would offer cash, jobs and other incentives to the Taliban and fighters in other armed groups,” including community development projects in the fighters’ villages, and could cost from $500 million to $1 billion over five years.
The goal would be to woo the less-radicalized of the Taliban back to the good side by offering to help alleviate their poverty, thus chipping away at the insurgency’s ranks. (right, cause buying off terrorists has worked so well in the past! – ed)
===
Sounds like a fricken pro-sports contract, huh? Except 1 billion over 5 years is sweeter than any deal in history. No word from the Taliban’s agent on if they’re holding out for a sweeter deal.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/us-and-britain-mulling-plan-to-buy-off-taliban-for-1-billion-over-5-years/
Maybe its just me.. but I think the country could be heading in the wrong direction.. not just economically, but also as concerns national security.
Is that important?
Sara.
-- January 28, 2010 11:11 AM ∞
Rob N. wrote:
Confuzed:
I propose you do some of your own research for the answers to those questions you asked. I also wish to pass along a quote to you from Napoleon Bonaparte; "Why and how are words so important that they cannot be used too often."
Thanks,
Rob N.
-- January 29, 2010 11:10 AM ∞
Confuzed wrote:
Rob, you must have sources you are reading that are leading you to your conclusions. What are they?
-- January 29, 2010 1:25 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Hmm.. Al-Qaida works with those who might lend them a hand in their aims..
===
Man arrested on Amtrak train after alleged threat
Jan 29 2010LA JUNTA, Colo. (AP) - An Amtrak passenger who alarmed fellow passengers by talking about terrorist threats on a cell phone was pulled from the train and is being held in Colorado.
Ojore Nuru Lutalo, 64, was arrested Tuesday on an Amtrak passage from Los Angeles to Chicago. Passengers on the train alerted authorities after hearing the man from Elizabeth, N.J., mention al-Qaida and make threats in a cell phone conversation.
Police said in an affidavit that passengers overheard Lutalo saying he hadn't killed anyone yet and talking about going to jail.
Passengers say the man said, "We have to work in small groups. They can hold you for 18 months. Do they have security on these trains? Are you with me or not?"
One passenger said he heard Lutalo mention al-Qaida, saying, "17th century tactics won't work, we have 21st century tactics."
The conductor said Lutalo had a tan blanket over his entire body so the conductor could not see what he was doing.
Lutalo was taken into custody at the La Junta train station in southeastern Colorado. Police said he was not armed or carrying explosives. He was carrying propaganda for an anarchist group called Afrikan Liberation Army.
Lutalo is being held in lieu of bond in Otero County.
Lutalo was released in August from a New Jersey prison after a 27-year term for aggravated assault, robbery and two counts of weapons possession. New Jersey authorities said Lutalo has also used the name Leroy Bunting.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DHFJO00&show_article=1
I wonder if the man was saying the terrorists (al-Qaida) were old school (17th century) but his group is new (21st century).. or if he was implying he was WITH the al-Qaida and their new 21st century tactics which he knows all about.
he heard Lutalo mention al-Qaida, saying, "17th century tactics won't work, we have 21st century tactics."
Who is the "WE" in the sentence.. his group, or is he referring to himself being WITH the al-Qaida?
Too bad they will read him his rights rather than getting any intel from him.
We won't know til they do the strike..
Strange times.Sara.
-- January 29, 2010 2:45 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
Check the filter??
-- January 31, 2010 9:01 PM ∞
Sara wrote:
DinarAdmin;
Could you check the filter, please?
Sara.
-- January 31, 2010 9:02 PM ∞
DinarAdmin wrote:
This is the new url for Dinar and Discussion.
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2010/02/dinar_and_discu_5.html
-- February 1, 2010 2:18 AM ∞
August 4, 2009
Dinar And Discussion August Sept Oct 09
By DinarAdmin
This is the Dinar And Discussion Page for August, September and October 2009
David wrote:
All - been monitoring some other dinar sites out there...things are a bit quiet in here. But I thought I'd report that some folks are feeling like we're getting close to the end of this thing. Maybe in the next week or two.
Any thoughts on what you've been hearing?
David
-- August 4, 2009 2:59 PM ∞
Dean wrote:
Here's a must see video on Youtube.
Joel Rosenberg is interviewed by Glenn Beck.He is a Bible Prophecy expert. In this youtube video he discusses what the Bible says about Iraq in the last days. And according to Joel Rosenberg in this video, the Bible says Iraq will be one of the richest nations on earth in the last days, if not the richest. Check it out...it begins talking about Iraq at about the 4:10 minute mark.
Here's the link: